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OPINION: What Lucasfilm Got Wrong About Fandom

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Jaxxon, Jul 23, 2019.

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    I think the main thing they got wrong in regards to fan reaction is simply if you set up a mystery then a huge number of fans will expect an answer fitting of that mystery.
    Granted many fan will also just enjoy the ride, or be happy with a subversion (as we saw with the last Jedi)

    But a large faction of fans will be angry if they feel they are been fobbed off with a subversion, the answer doesn't fit with the set up, or it feels like the writers didn't have a plan for the mystery when they set it up.

    Star Wars isn't the only property where creators have had this issues, Lost, Game of thrones, How I met your mother, Battlestar Galactica, DC, Sherlock and many others have all rubbed fans up the wrong way, with the way they have hooked fans in with mystery's then failed to provide decent fulfilment of that mystery leaving fans frustrated.
     
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    A lot of fans have notions of ownership of the narrative. We probably all do to varying degrees. Ambiguities undermine those notions and so it feels to some like the narrative is also undermined. Both going forward and retroactively.
     
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    The simple answer is disney put the message before the story. Instead of crafting a fantastic heros journey like lucas did for the first 6 movies. Disney put politics first and then wrapped a story around it. Just like the Ghostbusters reboot and dark fate...when the message comes before the story, it always fails.
     
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    I quite like the story of Ben Yoda Skywalker as a jedi though.
     
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    Nailed it on the head! The particularly frustrating part is that there didn't have to be mysteries. That's not a traditional element in Star Wars. When it was done, it was rare and eventually completed. I'm thinking of Yoda's "No. There is another". Other than that, there aren't many things that were set up as a big mystery. Were there details that people wondered about? Sure. But not many bombs like "There is another". I'm actually struggling to come up with even one more. Maybe Sifo Dyas?

    Some may argue that Anakin's conception is one but I don't think it is. He was conceived by the force. That was made clear in TPM. Palpatine's line about creating life is vague and not even known to be true. Maybe that could be one but it's iffy.
     
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    Yep. Totally agree. I might be one of the few, but I feel like they set up things in the Force Awakens, only to then pull the rug out from under fans. This whole "subversion" thing is, in my minds, garbage. I'm a huge ASOIAF fan, but George doesn't do subversion. In my mind subversion is "pulling the rug out from under" the reader, while what George does is to set things up and you simply don't see it happening because you think characters, i.e. "the hero" has plot armor. At the end of that first book, A Game of Thrones, you should realize this world is different. It's not subverting though, as it was nicely set up (you just didn't think it would happen). Subversion would have been for Ned Stark to somehow break free and kill Joffrey right at that point. Instead, Ned pays for his mistakes with this life. It reads much more like history, at least in my mind, than a novel.

    To make a long story short, and I am sure I've said this before, Disney underestimated (and continues to underestimate) the fans and their intelligence. People aren't stupid, so stop treating them as if they are.
     
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    Clear but annoying maybe to the point of flst out stupid and at least a delusion of grandeur to me.

    Prophecies, virgence, baby stealing, out of touch monks, rule of two, and midichlorians are all extreme rubbish and are best forgotten if not rebooted and rewritten ground up for my money.

    Shoddy lore that shrinks rather than expands the universe and philosophy while doing nothing for the story at hand either.
     
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    I have respect for the EU for one reason: It helped Star Wars (along with LucasArts) survive the "dark ages" of Star Wars which were the early to mid 90s. That's about it, I think the writing is absolutely terrible and the number of people who made noise about the EU was so incredible small, it is def. not what Lucas/Disney got wrong, in fact (even though it sounds harsh) it was OK to not continue with the EU, the quality of it was just terrible - I wouldn't want to work with material of that nature as a writer. What they did get wrong is that they produced movies in favor of the product, not knowing Star Wars is the only movie franchise on the planet which didn't require to be promoted/marketed as a product, it draws people to the movies by default! THAT'S what they didn't get. The toys, merchandise, comics, EU and what not rides on the wave of the films - not the other way around.
     
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    Honestly, I wouldn’t be opposed (actually I think I’d rather enjoy) if Disney ever decided to continue some of the old EU stuff. Some of the storylines were out there, but I really enjoyed a lot of that material. As long as they differentiate between canon and “Legends” I honestly think it could work, at least from a fans interest stand point. For instance, if Disney announced tomorrow that they were continuing the planned Jaina Solo/Jagged Fel books that were set after The Fate of the Jedi series, but they’d still be branded as “legends”, I’d buy it in a heart beat.
     
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    Yep. Absolutely. I haven't actually made any Star Wars related purchases since sometime in 2012. The continuation of the EU would be the thing that would change that. Unfortunately, Lucasfilm has moved on from the EU audience because we're apparently such a small minority of fans these days. At one time, the EU audience was the only audience. We were the ones who kept Star Wars afloat by buying up every last novel, game and comic. Now, all that has been swept under the rug. Like Skipper the Penguin in Madagascar: "You didn't see anything." As for me, though, I'd take Michael A. Stackpole over JJ Abrams any day. ;)
     
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