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Order 66

Discussion in 'General Stand-Alone Movie Discussion' started by Boss Vos, Oct 25, 2017.

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    What do you guys think about an anthology film dealing with the direct consequences of Order 66 for a group of surviving Jedi?

    I was reading the Dark Horse comic series Endgames (among others) the other day, and I realized how amazingly good those stories are. There is a particular sense of emptiness following the Jedi purge, and you can really feel this in the comics. The galaxy suddenly went from having 10,000 Jedi to less than 50, and the feels! In the comics there is a very good scene involving Jedi Kai Hudorra entering a bar in disguise at Toola, shortly after Order 66. We see him talking to some pilot/smuggler/worker, telling him that the war is over and that its time to celebrate. The worker describes how the Jedi were trying to take over the Republic, and that its good to have them gone. The same story later involves Hudorra leaving the planet with padawan Noirah Na, confiscating their lightsabers and telling Noirah to "Forget the Jedi order, forget the Force. I am no longer your master, and you are no longer a Jedi". It makes you cry to hear this.
    With these stories now belonging to Legends, there are so many possibilities to adapt them into the new existing canon.

    While ROTS technically showed us Order 66, it didn't go into much details. ROTS was way more focused on Anakin/Vader and Palpatine, and the two most important surviving Jedi: Obi-Wan and Yoda. We never got to see how other, less important Jedi felt. Also, it would be interesting to see the reaction from normal citizens as mentioned above.

    A movie about what happens to surviving Jedi after Order 66 could technically also involve Vader hunting them down - which would make Obi-Wan's speech about Vader to Luke in ANH make more sense.

    This movie could be called something like:

    Order 66 - A Star Wars Story
    The Jedi Purge - A Star Wars Story
    Annihilation - A Star Wars Story
    Holocaust - A Star Wars Story

    Jedi characters I would like to see:
    - Quinlan Vos
    - Bultar Swan
    - Tsui Choi
    - Noirah Na

    Other characters who could appear:
    - Vader
    - Palpatine
     
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    While it's highly possible Quinlan Vos could've survived Order 66, and he would service a story in a great way; having underground contacts, unique force abilities etc, it wouldn't be easy to pull off a believable survival story. He was in the thick of the fighting on Boz Pity, he most likely met a fate similarly to Ki-Adi Mundi.
     
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    Quinlan Vos wasn't at Boz Pity during Order 66, he was at Kashyyyk. While his deleted scene from ROTS prevented him from joining the new-canon in 2014, his presence at Kashyyyk was re-confirmed in the Star Wars: Card Trader released in 2015.

    So it's still very possible that he survived.
     
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    No, Luminara Unduli was stationed at Kashyyyk alongside Master Yoda, and we saw what came of her. He was canon in 2014 because of The Clone Wars and his mention in ROTS, and his very last action was moving his troops to Boz Pity during the continuing Outer Rim sieges.
     
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    I know he was canon in 2014 because of TCW, I meant his presence at Kashyyyk which didn't make it to the nu-canon at first. But now it has thanks to the Trading Cards.

    For the record, in the old canon both Luminara and Quinlan were stationed at Kashyyyk together with Yoda. In other words, it was always meant to be like this.

    No matter how you choose to interpret it, Quinlan's extraordinary background and close contact with Count Dooku and the dark side can be explored as a way to have him escape the clonetroopers in a more prepared way than others - regardless of which planet he's on.
     
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    Unfortunately, Karen Traviss already wrote "Order 66", so THAT title is off of the table.

    I have long thought about this story, and am a vehement believer (despite all of the "Facts") that not all of the Jedi were ultimately extinguished in the galaxy, because...."GALAXY". Aaaaanyway, as we know, because of the order, the hunt was on for the remaining individuals and those very stories could be great....especially if they escaped, faded into the woodwork, had families, and were never caught...fade to black.

    THAT rendition of the story could only be possible if in the event LFL came to the realization (in my eyes) that there's really no way that all of the remaining Jedi were killed except for Yoda and Obi-Wan, because some sources cite as many as 10,000 Jedi were in service at that time (again) in the Galaxy...it just is not possible in my mind that they were all killed.

    Sadly, I'm afraid that LFL will keep leaning on Luke being the last Jedi, and we'll never see any of the rest.
     
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    Karen Traviss's book is actually called "Republic Commando: Order 66" so it's not totally off of the table yet.

    That's the point. It's not possible that all Jedi were killed except Obi-Wan and Yoda - That's why they need to show Vader (or some other Jedi Hunter) hunt down and destroy the other Jedi Knights.

    LFL seems to be totally fine with adding characters such as Kanan and Ezra, and Ahsoka's fate is still up to debate. Too many Force users in the galaxy. I don't care if Ahsoka is not a Jedi anymore, she used to be one and no stupid retcon in the world can explain her surviving past the OT.

    I wish Rebels got de-canonized.
     
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    I fully appreciate the sentiment that there's the GALAXY (thanks @Trevor) and 10k Jedi at the time of the fateful Order, meaning it'd have to have been and astoundingly fortuitous as we as well executed order to take down as many Jedi simultaneously and without a whole bunch of survivors.

    The one thing that bugs me (even as a fan of Rebels and seeing Kanan), is that since ROTS the emotional impact of Order 66 has been hugely diluted by the ongoing reveals of more and more Jedi who dodged it and hid away, to the point that it begins to feel more like Order 16 for exactly how effective it was.
     
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    See, THIS is the thing that has grated me for years. I fully understand that this half-thought idea of "every last Jedi were killed sans Yoda and Kenobi, for there to finally be just Luke left" is as what's apparently necessary for the storytelling, but man, in my opinion, it wasn't really thought about for more than 3 seconds before moving on.

    IF you take OUR galaxy as a reference (and it's considered SMALL in comparison to some that are around us), it averages about 140,000 light years across, with as many as 400 BILLION STARS and AS MANY PLANETS....let those numbers sink in for a moment. [counting to 10] Having trouble digesting that?? That's because those numbers are unfathomably huge in comparison to anything you know...or ever will.

    Now if I'm to believe LFL, the majority of about 10,000 Jedi were caught flat-footed and executed, and the rest were just systematically hunted down (except Yoda and Obi-wan) and exterminated...IN THE WHOLE GALAXY. Nah....didn't happen.

    I just can't accept how well wrapped that little factoid is...it's just not believable. My issue with it, is that LFL has spent thousands of hours coming up with EXTENSIVE backstories of entire lives for the most minor of characters, yet the odds being glaringly stacked against the fact that "all of the Jedi were killed"...is...I just have to shake my head.

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    Here are some of my casting choices. And please, I know these look horrible but it's just to get a sense of what they could look like in the roles. :p

    Quinlan Vos - portrayed by Dave Bautista
    Besides having both the build and look, in Blade Runner 2049 he proved that he is able to act more serious roles - and doing it good too! Put on some black long hair and add the signature yellow stripe, and you got a real-life master Vos.
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    Bultar Swan - portrayed by Rila Fukushima
    The actress who previously portrayed Bultar in Ep II and III was just an extra, so obviously we'd need a new more capable actress. My pick would be Rila Fukushima, she looks fierce and knows how to fight with a saber already.
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    Tsui Choi - portrayed by Ian McKellen (motion capture)
    I have always wanted to see Ian McKellen in a Star Wars film, unfortunately he would be way too recognizeable. What better way to have him than in a motion capture role? His voice and style seems very suitable for this Yoda-type character.
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    As a fan, i'd take this retcon with a really good and fitting backstory...but it would have to be good!

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    Added this to the main post. If this does happen I think the title card should be in red.

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    He was seated in the background in a scene with Anakin in TPN and thusly cannonized essentially at that point...ok, KIND OF! :)
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    If done right, then sure.
     
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    This is a totally awesome idea. A very serious dramatic film that involves a lot of prequel and Clone Wars elements might actually make studios more likely to make films that involve those elements, and it would show that a Star Wars film can go to a very dark place, and discuss real topics. I know I would be totally psyched to see an R-rated Star Wars film.

    I love the idea of getting some legends characters in there, like Tsui Choi, Bultar Swan, Luminara Unduli, etc. I love Quinlan Vos, but there is enough material for him to have his own story, along with Tholme and T'ra Saa. We could even include some STTFU characters, like Kazdan Paratus, Rahm Kota, or even Shaak Ti (dying for the 4th time...5th time? I can't keep up...). Ahsoka might be a good main character or even focal point for the story, creating an "underground railroad" for Jedi, but I also like the idea of seeing the Jedi purge from many different characters on many different planets.

    The more I think about it, a stand alone film about Order 66 would be the Star Wars version of Schindler's List or Logan. The whole idea of constantly being in peril, being hunted, being attacked, having to give up your religion and essentially your life to protect your own mortality is a very chilling subject. If the film can make the audience really want to see the Jedi survive, similar in tone to The Great Escape, then there's no way it couldn't succeed. Even when I watch the prequels, there are moments where it breaks my heart knowing that these characters get murdered in cold blood.

    All in all, I think an Order 66 film would be amazing. If only the studio executives in Hollywood had the guts to actually do it.
     
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    Order 67: Aggh! Order 66 was done by mistake! Don't kill the Jedi yet and reactivate the droids!
     
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    That would be really interesting actually. Would like to see Kanan from Rebels appear if they ever made a "order 66" movie!
     
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    This would make a great idea. In this film, would you allow your Jedi protagonist(s) to survive Order 66 or not?
     
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    I think it would be more dramatic and tragic if the protagonists didn't survive. Or if they did, they would be captured and potentially brainwashed, similar to 1984.
     
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    Pretty sure Lucasfilm will be steering away from putting the word ‘holocaust’ in one of their titles. Otherwise, folks do seem to like watching Vader slicing people up. Sure. Why not?
     
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