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Pablo Hidalgo Sheds More Light On George Lucass Influence On The Sequel Trilogy

Discussion in 'SWNN News Feed' started by SWNN Probe, Jan 4, 2018.

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    Not that long ago, some concept art from George Lucas's pitch for Star Wars Episode VII finally surfaced, revealing that some of the key concepts that The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi were built around were inspired by his treatment after all. Now, Pablo Hidalgo is taking to Twitter to explain the creative process on how things changed from conceptualization to actualization.







    The first couple of points worth discussing here were actually brought up by Full Of Sith Podcast contributor Bryan Young on his Twitter page, where he noted that a number of story elements from both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi were borrowed from Lucas's story treatments based on The Art Of... books for both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. Young mentioned that many of the plot points for the character of Kylo Ren were already decided by Lucas: that he would betray his uncle, kill many of his fellow students, and ultimately murder his own father. Likewise, Rey would ultimately convince Luke to get out of his depression and do something about the war. The key difference is that both of these events would have happened in the same Episode VII - whereas in The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, they're both late-movie plot points. Hidalgo added to Young's observations by noting that Kylo Ren's origin was actually intended to be explored in Episode VII instead of Episode VIII:








    So the difference between The Force Awakens and Episode VII as it was originally conceived was that the story would have coincided with Ben Solo's fall to the Dark Side. Instead, we're introduced to him being Snoke's apprentice for a few years:








    Later, Young got into an argument with an Expanded Universe fan who was unhappy with the direction of the new films. The EU fan argued that Star Wars Legends was closer to Lucas's vision (it wasn't), an Young responded by reiterating what was mentioned above, with other users chipping in to suggest that Lucas's ideas weren't completely scrapped so much as they were reworked by the people working on the new movies. Hidalgo added to the conversation by adding some of the code names for the other characters:








    'The Son' and 'The Jedi Killer', of course, referring to the character that would become Kylo Ren. 'Talon', interestingly enough, refers to the Sith Lady that was seen in the Star Wars: Legacy comics (an idea that Lucas did pull over from the Expanded Universe, though not in the way that the character was originally meant to appear). It's also worth emphasizing that these are story treatments and not scripts - as far as we know, Lucas only completed an outline for Episode VII and only had a few other ideas for the other two movies:








    Lastly, Hidalgo noted that 'Skyler' (Finn) was originally The Son (Ben Solo) in some drafts of Episode VII:








    What an interesting dynamic that would have been... Nonetheless, we saw Kylo Ren and Finn play off of one another in The Force Awakens as foils, but not so much in The Last Jedi (where they don't even share a scene).



    That's all for now, but it's fascinating looking into the thought process that led to the creation of what we now know as the first two chapters of the Sequel Trilogy - and how Lucas ended up being a little more involved with these new movies than we once thought.





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    BTW..... Darth Talon Kicks A*****

    Would be amazing having her in a Star Wars Movie
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    There is more.........but that would spoil IX. Some elements of what is coming, what Lucas' intended, are already in the two Legacy comic books series. More importantly, all of what Lucas intended, is still in these movies. Some of it is still coming.....

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    But I love it that all those people who claim that Luke deviated too much from the Luke Lucas had intended, are now confronted with the fact that the Luke they got is exactly as Lucas intended. TLJ is not only an awesome masterpiece of a movie, now it has become legendary. :)
     
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    I think the only criticism that holds water is the thing about Luke even considering killing his nephew, if even for a moment. As far as we know, that was not a GL plot point.
     
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    For the shortest moment it crossed his mind that he could end it all right there, but immediately he was left with shame and consequences. Whether it is a GL plotpoint or not (that we don't know), it does capture perfectly the Luke Lucas wrote in the first place. It doesn't matter that it crosses his mind, what matters is that he does not translate the thought into action. Luke went to Ben's tent to confront him, not to kill him. That's what some viewers made of it. He wasn't creeping in the dead of night around Kylo's cell waiting to execute him in his sleep. Many people want to read it that way though.
     
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    It's like a packaged version of him attacking his father on DSII but ultimately choosing to lay his weapon down.

    Some fans might not like it for being a retread, but I liked it for what it was. Luke always had some fire and fury underneath.
     
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    Luke is always conflicted between these two:

    On the one hand...



    helping his friends with destructive consequences

    and on the other.....



    Throwing away the sabre, trusting the force, believing that avoiding conflict might result in victory.

    With Ben he did the former, again with destructive consequences. He then decided to do the latter, as his masters did and he himself had done on the second death star. But old solutions never work for new situations. He had to combine the best of two worlds: saving friends, yet avoiding direct confrontation: setting an example. He did this by projecting himself, facing down the 'entire first order' with his 'lasersword' and sacrificing himself. That's why broom boy is there. Luke has become what he is meant to be: an example. Thousands of Lukes rise as result.

    Luke has learned from both and formulated a new response. So not so much a 'retread', he has outgrown the 'retread.
     
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    While that may be a valid criticism from a character perspective, I don't think "GL's plot points" matter anymore and to be frank I don't want them to. I love GL but his time has past for SW IMHO.
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    it IS Rian Johnson's film. When someone creates a fictional world it isn't just theirs if they share it with other creators which I credit and admire George Lucas for doing that since the beginning.
     
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    Seeing Ben's fall would have been much better. I still feel that Han's death as such a great scene but had none of the build up necessary to make it sop impactful. If we had seen Ben before, grown to like him first then see him kill Han it would have meant so much more. Have Ben be the protagonist of Ep.7 with all 3 returning OT characters. Introduce Rey and Finn but keep them as supporting only. Ben falls by the end of the movie and position Rey/Finn to be bigger in Ep.8. Also they needed more children, having only one child of the OT characters and having him be the villain feels wrong. Luke should have had a son (named Ben because why would Han and Leia name their child that), Han and Leia have a son and a daughter. I'd also give Lando children just to really hammer home the "legacy" idea of the ST.
     
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    Can you please elaborate?

    What do you think is going to happen? What comics are you referring to? Thanks
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    I agree a little. I don’t think everyone should have had kids, but I do think there should have been at least one other skywalker- or at least the potential for one.


    So in the original Lucas outline, were there two sons? One who fell and then another who essentially turned into the Finn character? Or am I misunderstanding?
     
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    Judging by this subtweet...



    ...And the deletion of the original tweets, it seems as though he doesn't want this information out there for some reason. Go figure. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    FWIW, I wasn't remotely thinking about monetizing this info so much as giving it a larger platform.
     
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    Luke being in a depressed state was a Lucas idea?

    Most interesting.
     
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    Interesting news PH.
     
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    I've come to hear that this might be about someone making an article out of the canonicity of the novels or something.

    So... He's not pissed at us. Probably not. Yay?
     
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    PH is clearly doing damage controll 2 deflect criticism of the movie towards GL.
     
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    Before the release of TLJ: This is our story, George Lucas isn't involved.

    After the release of TLJ: The story is based on George Lucas's ideas.

    LOL.
     
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    I think George would of came out and deny that claim if that really was the case.
     
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    George probably doesnt give a fu.ck anymore
     
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    I think GL is 100% dun with SW. He was not at the TLJ premier. I think he is so finished he wont even defend himself about what PH has sed.
     
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    @Ammianus Marcellinus Wow what a great post...thanks! Had never thought of it that way before....
     
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