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Padme’s Tragedy

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Kato Sai, Nov 2, 2019.

  1. Kato Sai

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    Padmé tells Anakin, “Obi-Wan was right, You’ve changed!” Padme then tells Anakin “you are going down a path I cannot follow.”

    Rewatching AOTC, Anakin confesses to Padme his slaughter of Tuskan men, women, and children; right there should have been a red saber flag and yet Padme consoles Ani and later professes her love for him.

    In ROTS Padme acts like this descent down the Dark Side is new, when she knew what Ani did to the Tuskans. Is this a case of a woman believing she can change a man, or hopeful love, or is it a continuity problem in the writing?
     
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    His love for Padme blinded Anakin, to the point he would have do anything to save her from his visions. Even do anti-Jedi things.
    Padme's love for Anakin also blinded her, to the point she couldn't see the monster behind the face. Even if the monster says terrible things that not a single human can reasonably say.

    Love can destroy all : this is the core message of the Prequel, where the OT stated the opposite : love can save all.
     
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    Why do you think GL had such diametrically opposite tales of love’s power? On one hand it saves, on another it destroys.
     
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    When it had to do with his mom Padme had sympathy. She seen his pain and suffering. Not so much after he went full darkside. Because it changed him to something entirely. And it was a path she couldn't follow.
     
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    I agree!!

    I think she definitely (although still messed up & wrong) had compassion for him because he had just lost his mom and was mad with grief....But to kill younglings just to be more powerful and rule the Galaxy was a path she couldn’t respect or follow.

    Padme is my 2nd favorite character in all of Star Wars (after Luke). I could go on & on about her!
     
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    This is a great analysis of why Padme could overlook the Slaughter of the Sand People but not the Younglingicide. In the case of the Tuskans it was more of a reckoning; they are violent (almost terrorist) people and they kidnapped Shimi who was just picking mushrooms and tortured her to death. Younglings on the other hand were innocents.

    My only curiosity is why Padme is so shocked at Mustafar that Anakin has become Vader. She saw how emotional he gets, and that to avenge his mother he committed genocide. She was there when he made the promise, “I will become the most powerful Jedi ever! I promise you! I will even learn to stop people from dying!”

    When Anakin started having dreams of Padme’s death, she should have paid attentjon fo his wordsl, “I had dreams, like the ones about my mother before she died.. this dream was about you.. you die in child birth.” Padme’s alarm should have sounded. Ani over Shimi was capable of genocide. What would he do now that she was threantened with a death omen?

    I am not saying Padme should be totally rational, “your asking me to ne rarional, which is something I know I cannot so. I wish I could just wish away my feelings, but I can’t.” (Anakin, AOTC). However, she shouldn’t have been so suprised Anakin had changed. She already knew what the death of a loved one, in her case the fear of death, can do to Anakin.
     
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    You put that into words beautifully. I completely agree! :)
     
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    Thank you. :)

    Padme is my second favorite character too. I am priviledged to start a thread about her.

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    A counter argument could be that Padme’s pregnancy and her watching the fall of the Republic, “So this is how liberty dies? With thinderious applause,” was a strain on top of Anakin’s transformation to the Dark Side. Do you see a means to make a case that the orher two truamas (stressors) made her suprised Anakin had “changed,”?
     
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    Great observation. I really like the depth of her character. We have to remember she was pregnant with his baby too...on top of all these stresses, but I think you make a good point especially about “liberty dying”. That is the destruction of her entire life’s purpose aside from being a mom & wife.

    On a side note-It amazes me how strong she always was in the face of tough times, especially because she had no force abilities. She would have been a dynamic Jedi!!
     
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    I agree, Padme is resilent and in many ways stronger than Anakin and Jedi. :)

    Without the use of the Force ahe:

    • Survived death threats, and assisination attempts as Queen.
    • Survived invasion by the Trade Federation as Queen.
    • Survived an assassination attempt as Senator.
    • Survived execution in the Arena on Geonosis.
    • Survived the Fall of the Republic.

    What she did not survive was Anakin or Vader. Her losing the will fo live I think wasn’t over just Ani, but her soul was worn out from all the loss and death she endured.
     
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    See! I agree with you it was more than the load of Ani too because she would want to be there for her babies. She took too many losses and Ani’s killing of the younglings, force-chocking her, then battle OB1 was just too much for her spirit and body after witnessing the fall of the republic.

    I’d like to add she was skilled in the art of diplomatic solutions & aggressive negotiations! :)
     
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    I think Padme was terrified for her children. If Anakin would kill Younglings, what would he do to Luke and Leia if they prusued the Jedi Way? Her fears are proven true in that Vader says to Luke in ESB, “don’t make me destroy you!” and his pledge to the Emperor, “he will join us or die.”

    Haha, Padme is Negotiator Extrodinaire:

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    ;)

    Padme as a Sith!

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    This is Episode III Concept art of Padme as a Sith:

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    A Song of Ani and Padme:

    “We fly around like we were superman live in another trance
    A different way to dance with dark romance
    You get another chance to do that dirty dance without consequence.

    I do not have to justify,
    The way I live my life.
    I do not have to justify,
    The reason I'm alive.
    Let me change the timber of this section
    Add a little booze to ice
    I guess you probably noticed
    I've been living a double life

    So fly around like you are superman given another chance
    A different way to dance with true romance
    You get another chance to tell your dirty, darkest secrets.
    We fly around like we were superman live in another trance different way to dance with dark romance you get another chance to do the dirty dance without consequence.
    I do not have to justify,
    The way I live my life.
    I do not have to justify,
    The reason I'm alive.
    No more.
    It's just not me.
    Not me.
    I'm just like you.“
    -The Great Divide, Justify, Scott Stapp
     
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    I cannot picture Padme as a Sith. “It’s just not in her character.” :)

    Here is a larger wallpaper version:

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    Now this Sith Padme I like:

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    Padme would never turn to the dark side!!
     
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    True.. unless she believed gong along with it would lead to Anakin’s Redemption. :D

    Still that’s a stretch. ;)
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    In fact, Padme could have been a Jedi Shadow and pretended to rule the galaxy with Anakin so as to infiltrate and wait for the moment to overturn the Emperor.

    It is intriguing Sheev Palpatine and Padme Amidala are both born natives of Naboo. ;)
     
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    What an Amazing movie i personally love it
     
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    Which is your favorite Padme blessed films?

    • The Phantom Menace (vicious)
    • Attack of the Clones(stormy 2)
    • The Revenge of the Sith (ewok)
     
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    I wonder why there would even be concept art for Padme as a Sith? Was this considered at some point?
     
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