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SPECULATION Palpatine will be in episode IX but what will he do in it?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Mr Hux, Apr 12, 2019.

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    First post here.

    It's pretty obvious that Palpatine is the "greatest evil" that our heroes have to come together to face, and if you go back and watch the panel, there are clues in Colbert and Abrams' interactions that indicate that Colbert knew about Palpatine's return and was just itching for it to be put out in the open.

    Abrams' post-panel comments also make it pretty clear that Palpatine's return is very significant to the story and that it was only a secret because nobody had ferretted it outout, which he was pleasantly surprised by. His post-panel comments also place new meaning in comments that Kathleen Kennedy made during the panel and also indicate that the character's return was actually "workshopped" with George Lucas in order to ensure that it made sense and was consistent with established Lore.
     
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    Nice 1st post!

    Looking back, there may be a reason Snoke looked like a re-animated corpse, had a throne room, was obsessed with Skywalker and the Jedi, re-created the First Order in the Empire's image, may have been contemplating a clone army, seemed to talk about Vader as if he never turned, never got any back story except he came from the Unknown Regions, etc. If you replaced Snoke with Palpatine's body and gave him the same dialog, it would make total sense.

    Lastly, to make this all happen. Perhaps dark siders that "die" cannot become force ghosts to retain their identity. BUT maybe they can do something natural to retain their identity by taking on a new host body.
     
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    What if the KOR were also part of Sidious' contingency plan to bring him back from The Beyond? But they didn't know who or what they were retrieving on their journey, like a promise of great dark side power or knowledge that turned out to actually bring Sidious back from death. Sidious' plan to cheat death might have been to actually come back from the netherworld, not to avoid dying in the first place.

    Kylo and the knights Of ren could've been unknowlingly following a trail left by Sidious. That kind of deception fits in with his character. JJ has said the KOR have been away exploring or looking for something in 'The Beyond' something that makes Kylo vulnerable. I think we know what or who they found now.
     
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    We know that Sith can preserve their own consciousnesses in artifacts, and we also know that the First Order rose out of a "contingency plan" that Palpatine had set up in the event of his death, so it is very possible that an artifact containing Palpatine's consciousness was sent into the Unknown Regions and possessed Snoke, allowing Palpatine to manipulate things and survive after a fashion. The only missing piece of the puzzle would be how and why Palpatine regained his actual body.
     
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    There are a couple of things worth considering when talking about Palpatine returning.

    1: Apparently, this was a thing from the start of ST planning/plotting; a long-game ploy. Very cool. This makes me have high hopes for how they will use him and how Palpatine will come to inform the entire ST.

    2: George Lucas got involved in the planning Palpatine in Ep.IX. That’s quite cool, and I’m sure he was able to bring some guidance to the LFL team. Perhaps Palpy was a thing carried over from Lucas’ original ST outlines?

    3: Just what was Palpatine’s contingency plan? Was it just to make sure the Empire fell with him, out of jealousy or something, or was it all somehow about ensuring he’d live on in some form to exact his revenge and pull strings from behind the scenes? I can’t wait to see what tRoS has to say about all of this :D

    Having the entire 9-film saga tie together with an overarching Palpatine presence will be a great thing, I feel!
     
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    My dream scenario: Since Siths can't become Force Ghosts, I'd like to believe Palpatine at least managed to "survive" as some sort of Dark Spirit that has to survive through others like a parasite (sort of like Voldemort in the Harry Potter series). In other words, Snoke was his vessel, and once Snoke died Palpatine was once again forced to retreat back to the source of his Death (which we see in the trailer, the Death Star rubble). Here, the last remnants of his spirit still survives, and as long as his spirit remains his dark influence can't go away - unless killed by another form of spirit. In this case, Luke as a Force Ghost will be able to defeat Palpatine in a last, final blow. Leave Kylo to Rey, and have Kylo do something unexpected - like commit suicide, for example. And of course, have Rey be Luke's daughter after all.

    But of course, they would never do something like that.
     
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    One of his contingency plans was to burn things to the ground, and another was to send agents into the Unknown Regions and establish the seeds of the First Order.
     
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    Palpatine will be seen as attempting to complete his plan to become immortal. Rey and Kylo and company will need to stop him.
     
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    Lets get my negative thoughts out of the way first:

    It's a really bold decision to bring him, especially if they actually bring him back to life, having him end up been the "Ultimate Evil"(as thats what JJ said our hero's would be facing yesterday), could if done badly just feel like they had ran out of idea bringing back a villain that was defeated at the end of episode 6, and with the liklyhood that this film will end with the last Jedi having to go of and rebuild the Jedi while the plucky rebellion/resistance has to rebuild the republic after the defeat of the empire/first order, which is exactly how return of the Jedi end, so adding into that the villain they defeat ends up been the same person, and it could even end up been that the fallen Skywalker is redeemed in the process. So their is a real risk of them really making this trilogy feel a bit pointless.

    Right i've got that pessimism out the way. The prequels made Palpatine probably the most interesting character in star wars, he way he manipulated an entire galaxy to gain power was one of the greatest villian plot arcs in film history, if they could find away to tie that arc into the new trilogy in fulfilling way, it would truly tie the saga together. And their is the scope in this new trilogy to do that, you have tieing Palapatine into that would not only add weight to the trilogy it would also help tie in to cannon with all the talk of Palpatines contingency plan and him sensing the dark side in the unkown regions.

    And if they don't bring him back to live but having him as force ghost, having a darkside force ghost would be something we wanted to see.

    Plus Ian Mcdiarmid is incredible in the role.

    So their is room for this to be incredible, its all about execution.
     
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    The 'Ultimate Evil' could simply be something that Palpatine foresaw. The rumours of Palpatine creating the Death Star and other mass weapons of destruction for the purpose of protecting against something even worse then himself and the empire may be true.
     
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    Random guess. In the new canon Sith have "lived on" in artifacts. One of the Knights of Ren or an Acolyte of the Beyond with furry arms gathered up all the pieces of Ren's helmet so that he could return to his true master Sidious. The reforged helmet becomes the new vessel for Palps.
     
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    I think Palpatine Death Stars were so he could destroy planets that are Force Conduits so he can consolidate power.
     
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    I would like to point out as a (probably unrelated) fact, that The Emperor's theme actually plays in The Last Jedi when Snoke is "force torturing" Rey. I wonder if that is related to Palpatine in TROS or just a coincidence.
     
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    My big question is, does this movie mark the first return of Palpatine? Or has he been working behind the scenes in some way throughout this whole trilogy?
     
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    Why does it have to be "either/or"?
     
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    The most plausible scenarios for Darth Sidious' appearance in the film in my mind is either another "forceback" or via holorecording. That said I would like to see an actual physical appearance, and am interested in how that would work.
     
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    Abrams and the other filmmakers heavily "workshopped" Palpatine's involvement in the story with George Lucas, which would have been unnecessary if the character were merely returning in holographic form or via flashbacks.
     
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    I'd like some twist and not go w/ the "script" so to speak.

    100% won't happen but I'd geek out to see Palpatine aligns himself w/ the resistance in order to fend off the threat from the outer regions.
    Rey and company are sent by Palpatine to the ruins of the 2nd Death Star in order to retrieve a Sith artifact which will help them defeat the oncoming threat.

    Cheers, KH
     
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    There is also the Star Wars: The Phantom Menace 20th Anniversary Celebration on Monday. Another reason he would be there.
     
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    I find it a big funny a few years back the general opinion here was Palpatine's time was done. Now everyone's excited he's back.
     
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