Palpatine's Grand plan: the skywalkers, Starkiller base, and the "Source of the Force"

I'd be interested in reading that treatise, if you'd like to share @kayjaysay.

Personally, I think the whole "we're concentrating on the OT and ignoring the PT" thing from JJ has been grossly misinterpreted. He said himself he wasn't interested in discussing story at the moment (I think at Anaheim?), so we can assume that his focus for the time being is on aesthetic and production concerns. And yes, he seems to be delivering: in terms of aesthetic and production, he is staying close to the OT (shooting on film, using real-world locations and practical effects, and trying to embody the "spirit" of the '77 original). But he hasn't said that applies equally to story details or narrative devices. Sure, he's joked about putting Jar Jar's bones in shots on Jakku, but that's just an extension of his disdain for CGI, surely?

To my knowledge, JJ hasn't even hinted at ignoring the Lore laid down by the PT; retconning the back-story to the OT, denying himself the opportunity to explore themes introduced during Eps I-III or tying up some of the PT's loose ends.

If I've missed anything where JJ does specifically say he's not drawing on the PT as a story-teller, please let me know; but I always took it that he wasn't impressed with the PT as a film-maker and that some people are just assuming he meant story, too....

 

Be careful - this kind of thinking led many people (like myself) to try to piece together little bits of clues from every episode of LOST when in fact - they were making it up all along the way because ultimately the show wasn't about those details - (spoiler) it was about dealing with death.

That said, Vader is seen as a Martyr - and Vader's cause was to Rule the Galaxy and force everyone to get along. Several First Order products have slogans such as "Rule the Galaxy". Kylo says that he wants to destroy the Resistance and the Last Jedi because once he does that he says "There will be no one to stop us... no one".

It could be that all Dark Side users are seeking the ultimate power - but up to this point that power seems to come in the context of forcing your will upon the Galaxy and making act the way you want them to act. Maybe there is a hint of transcendence but the First Order seems to want to "control" things and the Resistance seems to want there to be "Free Will".

These seem to be allegorical views about the nature of love and compassion - which ultimately is what Lucas intended for the entire story to be about. If Crystals are somehow part of that... then... ok... but you might be missing the point.

 

Im also very interested on hearing your 3500 words on Plaguis as I think you got a lot of stuff right in your original post. I would love to see Darth Plaguis in the ST

 

Not sure I follow you, @Lord Phanatic. Is that because of how he speaks about the Star Wars prequels, the way he speaks about the original Star Wars trilogy, or because of his Star Trek prequels (sorry, "reboots")?

(ps. I really enjoyed JJ's Trek movies)....

 

The nicest thing Abrams says about the prequels is that kids appreciated them. Otherwise he is jokingly hostile, passive aggressive, or outright ignores questions about the prequels when talking about Star Wars. I've seen him do this for years. His pal Simon Pegg is outright hostile about them.

 

Okay, interesting. Thanks for the info, guys. And as JJ is launching the ST, I guess his sensibility will prevail.

But ultimately, this is a a LFL/Disney product and I can't see either of those companies sharing JJ's views entirely. I'm not suggesting the PT will ultimately inform every aspect of the ST, but I'll be very surprised if some story elements don't surface later in Eps VIII or IX, because LFL and DIsney will see the 9 parts as a saga as a whole. Surely?....

 

Yeah, I saw something about that briefly. Where did that rumour come from?....

 

Abrams at SD Comic Con 2015: "We treated the films--you know IV, V, and VI--especially because those for me were the films that I grew up with--We treated those as canon. And by the way--that Larry [Kasdan] wrote."

I think Lucasfilm cares about the prequels and the Clone Wars, but for non-employees like Abrams and Kasdan, they don't really care for it.

 

Others sites are citing MSW, but I can't find it mentioned there..yet....

 

Ah, hadn't read that before. Thanks. But as I say, JJ isn't the ST, so....

Also: http://www.mercurynews.com/celebrities/ci_28890581/hayden-christensen-returning-star-wars-episode-8

MTFBWY....

 

The documented facts that Larry K & JJ Abrahms were evasive/tight lip about Plaguis in ST storylines seems to be a tip off.
Also, Yoda could have had feelings or premintions about Plaguis in the coming years(post ROTJ era).
Yoda was about 976 years old. I think he might have picked up a thing or 2.

Yoda also always seemed leery & apprehensive about the Skywalkers. Might he be more aware of the true nature of their creation?
Obi Wan seemed to guide Luke but his affiliation with Anakin seemed to put a dark spin on it.