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Palpatine's Grand plan: the skywalkers, Starkiller base, and the "Source of the Force"

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by kayjaysay, Sep 12, 2015.

  1. Jerec

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    That's exactly what came into my mind when I saw the Comicon panel where someone asked about Darth Plagueis and Lawrence Kasdan responded something among the lines of: Who? Darth Vegas??? Then having JJ Abrams saying something that Kasdan was teasing the fan and they didn't want to go into story details too soon.

    I respectfully disagree with this statement due to the fact that Darth Sidious was playing the whole Jedi order in front of their faces without any of them knowing he was a Sith Lord.

    I completely agree with this one, after rewatching ROTJ, I had a feeling that Yoda didn't want Luke to become a Jedi, especially when he said that Luke knew all that he needed to know already. Luke choked the guards at Jaba's palace as well so I felt like Yoda feared Luke to be too emotional to become a Jedi Knight and wanted to do some damage control :p. Altough, I fear I'm wrong since Yoda tells Luke to share what he learned with others...
     
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    If the PT didn't exist, if I heard "Palpatine's master" I would think that that means that the dark side itself is a sapient being.

    Anyway, the reason that Lucas created Plagueis was to suggest that Anakin is a creation of the Sith without implying that Palpatine is Luke's grandpa.
     
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    I've been hoping for awhile that we get this level of connectivity in the overarching plot of all the canon. It can easily be done in a way that puts those who only watch the movies "in the know" ... while rewarding the hardcore canon fiends (myself being one) with a deeper understanding of the connecting threads. I really like the idea that Snoke was "found" by those seeking the Dark Side beyond the fringes of the known galaxy. It allows Snoke to being and incredibly power Dark Side user without us wondering why he only showed up at this stage in the game.
     
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    Mysterious and not contrived, both positives. Speculating on Snoke's origin and life before he was "found" (the answers could be revealed in IX) should be fun.
     
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    Sidious, stop being coy. Just tell us what your grand plan was!
     
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    Destroy the universe, absorb all its life force, and build a new universe that's composed of statues of me.
     
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    This is really good!

    The one flaw I see in this theory is why would Palpatine have all of the Kyber Crystals be sent off to the Death Star. Wouldn't it be easier to just use a planet like Star Killer Base to test the power than to remotely ship a moon's worth of Kyber Crystals?
     
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    The question was about if the staff Rey uses is connected to Plagueis. Abrams said they don't want to talk about story too soon, but immediately said "no" to the question after that. Question starts at around 38:00. The most interesting thing is that it sounds like Daisy says "Oooh. Is that...?" before Abrams asks Kasdan to answer. I actually don't think Kasdan did understand the question, by the way.
     
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    A little fun fact: In Legends, Pomojema, the god worshipped by the Mimbanites as the source of the Kaiburr Crystal's power in Splinter of the Mind's Eye, was also worshipped by the Sith species as Typhomjem, a Lovecraftian being.
     
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    Right, but had the PT existed without any mention of Plagueis, but remained with the "Rule of Two" as a part of SW canon, to assume that Palpatine had a physical master (who himself had a physical master and so on, seeing as that had been established as a eons-old Sith tradition) would be logical.
     
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    Well, the Death Star was mobile and could travel all around the Galaxy looking for trouble, while a weaponized planet is landlocked so to speak and presumably limited to obliterating whatever is in its general vicinity, though perhaps by TFA they've figured out how to harness a planet with a kyber crystal core into a non-local weapon capable of hitting any target in the Galaxy. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the case, and that they're leveraging the collective power of all the force children they've gathered up to direct and focus the beam...
     
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    In TCW, Yoda says that in ancient times, the Sith used kyber crystals to build superweapons. Might Starkiller Base be an ancient Sith weapon that Sidious was looking for? Maybe the Death Star was an attempt to recreate it?
     
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    Totally agree. The inquisitors of Rebels are already pushing it as it is. Where were these inquisitors during the OT? Why wouldn't Vader and Palps have sent inquisitors after Luke and CO rather than bounty hunters? Snoke has to be a great threat otherwise why wouldn't Luke just kick his ass? How come we have all these trained dark side organizations running around like the knights of ren, the inquisitors and that other dark side cult mentioned in Aftermath that I can't recall but there is still only one jedi after 30 years (according to those released toy lines). Honestly lots of dark side users could be cool but only if there are Jedi to oppose them and if Luke is still the only fully trained Jedi and Ray and FInn are just starting training they are going to have to Kill Bill their way to victory because they've got a lot of baddies.
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    JJ can be as smug as he wants but his star trek films are to the Star Trek franchise what the prequels were to the Star Wars franchise. I would even say that the prequels had more heart and soul then JJ's bastardization of Star Trek.
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    The starkiller device reminds me of the EU's Galaxy Gun.
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galaxy_Gun
     
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    Shouldn't this be Snoke's grand plan?
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    Interesting Mark and Carrie didn't stand up...
     
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    All I wanted was Galactic Peace and I would have suceeded if my sister hadn't gone all kill bill on my ass.
     
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    You mean at the end? They were talking to each other and got up after that.
     
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    Ya
     
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    Hello all,

    A little while ago, in this thread, I said that I had written an even longer piece on the possibility of Plagueis being in the ST. In short, a few months before that, I decided to aggregate what I thought was all the relevant evidence on the matter and spend two or three hours essentially writing an essay on it, which for me is the most effective way of getting thoughts down onto paper and organizing them. Yesterday I took an hour to update it with information that's more recently come to light. However, I did not take the time to edit it, consolidate it or parse it down, so be warned, it's very wordy, and overly so, I'll admit. Regardless, I promised I would post it, so here it is:

    https://plagueistheory.wordpress.com/
     
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    I'll get on that !
     
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    If "Palpatine's Grand Plan" was really that complex.. I think he would have figured out a better way to protect the original Death Star......
     
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