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SPOILER Part of the script - Greenham Common/Dantooine scene

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by DarthSpoiler, Oct 2, 2014.

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    The more limitations they keep ("there MUST be a Mandalorian in the film", there MUST be someone having a bad feeling about it, there MUST be a starship in the opening shots) the less freedom to create a fresh great Star Wars movie..
     
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    After today we should consider this a palate cleanser
     
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    I'm confused.

    Do we want the entire Lucas poetry/symmetry/ etc thing to be lost?
     
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    Not lost but heavily subdued in favor of other ideas that may lift the saga to a new level ... ANEWLEVELOFCONFIDENCEANDPOWER
     
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    I agree with the majority that this is fan fiction. However, I have to admit it is creative in the sense that it attempted to incorporate what little leaks we have seen into some form of plausible narrative. For instance, incorporating Adam Driver (I suspect) as Han and Leia's son named after her adoptive father is pretty original. Then there's incorporating Greenham Common as Dantooine. BUT attempting to incorporate the code name "Kira" as "Rika" was just bad and a telltale sign that this is written by an amateur.
     
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    It would be hilarious if this was part of the disinformation campaign. I also like the idea of "Bail Solo".

    As far as having Boba Fett...would I love that? Definitely. He should definitely be in these movies in some form. Growing up he was a HUGE part of Star Wars starting with the first glimpses of him on the back of Kenner packaging. After ESB there was a lot of speculation that Boba Fett was "the Other" or even Luke's mom in disguise (which was sorta ironic in that in RotJ we get Leia disguised as Boushh!) I was always kind of let down with how they "ruined" his backstory in the PT. Patton Oswalt says it best for me. :)

    There are bits and pieces of Star Wars that NEED to be there. It won't limit the story - it will enhance it and make it flow together as a unified work. Those little lines that get repeated from movie to movie. They need to be there just like Star Trek characters need their catch phrases.

    This isn't a relaunch of the Star Wars universe, it's a continuation. There has to be continuity or it won't feel "right".
     
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    I do. It was super dumb. I really hope the Sequel Trilogy doesn't incessantly borrow almost every little element from the Original Trilogy the way the Prequels did. They have a fight in an asteroid field, they go to Tatooine, people get their hands cut off, lightsaber duels, people have bad feelings about things, Boba Fett appears, a bar scene, the Death Star plans, things that look like stormtroopers, people that dress in black and have red lightsabers and are named Darth, young versions of characters, mentioning the exact same made-up names in throwaway lines. Make up a new alien name, why did you have to fall into a nest of "gundarks"?. Although to be fair all of the things the Prequels did make up were incredibly stupid and unmemorable. Who remembers "Dexter Jetster" and his fifties bar? So maybe it's for the best. Here's a dumb quote from George Lucas about The Phantom Menace:

    "Instead of destroying the Death Star, [Anakin] destroys the ship that controls the robots. It's sort of like poetry, they rhyme. Hopefully it'll work!"

    It didn't!
     
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    Basically it wouldn't be Star Wars. You're better off waiting for Guardians of the Galaxy 2.
     
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    Star Wars isn't about the names of the planets, or the specific alien races, or the X-wings. It's about the lives of lovable characters and how they interact, having fun adventures in a vast limitless Galactic Empire, and how those interactions are thematically relevant to a deeper meaning. You can change the planet names and the ship designs, but if you change the setting or theme its not Star Wars. The Prequels got this backwards! They borrowed everything from the Original trilogy except its basic setting and deeper meaning! (And by basic setting, I mean it took place in wierd-looking pristine CGI environments and the center of politics, instead of on the fringes of a real-looking Galactic Empire.)
     
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    Actually, when you boil it down Star Wars is about the Skywalker family and their adventures and how they interact with the mystical energy field that binds their universe together - the Force. It's about Sith vs. Jedi (which is really about the Light Side vs the Dark Side of the Force).

    I agree the PT got the whole "look" wrong. And I still don't buy Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. But the deeper meaning and theme is there - it's just not done very well.

    But when you are creating a linked storyline - those little bits (gundarks, "I've got a bad feeling about this", Boba Fett, etc.) are core to reinforcing the link and the storyline.

    Think of Harry Potter, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings - there are commonalities that appear in each installment of the overarching storyline. And those things are what create the "epic" feel.
     
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    Not if you ignore the Prequels. Star Wars is about Luke Skywalker. He is the main character, and he goes thru adventures in which he grows as a character with a major flaw, symbolically learning his lesson when he becomes a Jedi knight. And as Mark Hamil once said, "We had a beginning, a middle, and an end." So to continue the stories, you can't just say some familiar sentences and made-up words. You need to have old or new characters go on a new (but somewhat familiar) journey, and learn a similar (but fresh) lesson.
     
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    But the entire Saga does not ignore the prequels.
     
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    I do. And I bet the Sequels will, in this particular aspect.
     
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    I hate the prequels but I think you've missed the point. Star Wars up until now has really been Anakin's story. His rise, fall, and redemption. IV-VI WERE about Luke but in the context of his father's journey. Luke would not have an Empire to fight if not for his father's actions in the past.

    Any future story will necessarily reflect heavily on how Anakin's journey has affected Luke.
     
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    No it was made into Anakin's story by the Prequels, before that, Darth Vader's redemption was just a smaller part of Luke's journey, and the things that happened in the Prequels were backstory. And that's exactly how they should be treated - as backstory. Because they really didn't add anything else to the Saga except elaborating (badly) on what Ben Kenobi told us in Star Wars.
     
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    Keep in mind - Anakin has been a character in 6 Star Wars films to date. Luke has been a character in 3.1. You cannot ignore the prequels even if you hate them as much as I do. All that stuff "happened" and is 1/2 of the overall Star Wars story (more if you count the Clone Wars stuff).

    As you said - it was "made into Anakin's story" - yes. You're absolutely right. It has become that. And the new movie will continue down that storyline.

    Actually, as I think of it, Star Wars has one overarching theme - Balance of the Force. And the Skywalker family are the drivers of that balance. (since we can forget anything pre-Episode 1 as canon)
     
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    I don't think so. I hope not!

    It also "happened" even if the Prequels were never made - Ben Kenobi told us about it. And I think the Sequels are going to treat those things that "happened" as backstory, like the Original Trilogy did.

    The theme of a good film is never self-referential pseudophilosophy about some made-up magic or whatever! The reason the Force is important is because it is symbolic of something more - something relevant to us, the audience and everybody. In this case (the theatrical release of the Star Wars Original Trilogy), it is a symbol of the wisdom to know when to look passed the superficial appearance of things.
     
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    Lucas himself said Fett survived the Sarlac pit... making it canon
     
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    Well the overarching theme is Good v. Evil. That's it in a nutshell. But in the case of Star Wars that conflict is represented by the battle between the Light and Dark Sides of the Force. This new trilogy will be about the Balance of the Force. No doubt in my mind. It's the only thematic continuation of the first six movies that makes sense. Unless anyone has any clever ideas?
     
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    Luke is now forced to make judgement calls about what the Jedi should become... the problem with the old Jedi order was arrogance and complacency

    If Luke attempts to rebuild the order without those flaws, it would, by definition, need to include a much broader view
     
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