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Personal ramblings about Ben Kenobi

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Dr Jerrone, Jan 19, 2016.

  1. Dr Jerrone

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    Two things I'd like to explore here. Both things relate to Obi Wan Kenobi and his place in the legacy of Star Wars.

    The first thing I'll talk about is Kylo Ren's name. His presumed name (as far as I know there is no cannon stating his full name) is Ben Solo which leads us to believe he's named after Ben Kenobi. First of all this is interesting because the name Ben is just a name that Obi Wan took on while in hiding on Tatooine (as far as I'm aware) so why would they name him some name that only Luke and possibly Han knew him by? Han only knew the guy for a couple of days maybe and as far as we know in cannon Leia never met him.

    An easy explanation could be that Leia knew that Obi Wan saved Luke in the same way Bail Organa saved her so the name could just be an homage to him. The whole Ben over Obi Wan part might just be because Obi Wan Solo doesn't have the same ring to it.

    Anyways onto the important part.

    Rey Kenobi. So many theories have been brought around discussing Rey possibly being a Kenobi. One of the biggest issues with this is that Obi Wan is seen as a devout follower of the Jedi order and it would be difficult to believe his character going against the Jedi code which he fought so hard to keep.

    Here comes the speculation: What if Obi Wan had a younger brother (we're talking much younger here) who had a child late in his life and this child is Rey? This would make Obi Wan a literal uncle Ben to Rey and would also accomplish the purpose of having Rey be a random person while also being related in some way.

    I am in no way saying this is fact or even necessarily what I believe, I'd just like to hear what people think about it.
     
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    I don't see why they would go with Obi-Wans long lost little brother. That would seem to easy. "Hey by the way Obi-Wan had a little brother that we never told you about until now and well... That's his daughter."
     
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    i don't think it's that much of a stretch for them to name their son Ben (neither here nor there perhaps because they obviously did). Leia knew of Obi-Wan at least, and Luke could have had influence in the naming.

    i agree that it doesn't seem likely Obi-Wan would have had any kids. For that reason too, i don't want Rey to be Luke's daughter. Obi-Wan and Luke are "good" Jedis. i don't want anything to ruin that.

    i like the idea of some distant Kenobi, perhaps. but it feels far fetched.

    if Rey is not Luke's and not a Kenobi, we've run out of lines to attach her to and i think that's okay too. Ben is the Skywalker heir. we don't need two of them and we don't need for Ben and Rey to be related. i think either choice would be a mistake.
     
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    Don't worry.I believe she is NOT a Kenobi.She is a Skywalker BUT she is NOT Luke's daughter either.Really Rey is a BIG beautiful mystery and i want to know more about her.Can't wait to know ...(r2-d2).
     
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    Whether or not Leia personally knew Obi-Wan as 'Ben,' Obi-Wan is directly responsible for allowing Leia and Han to meet. I think it's touching they'd name their son after him.
     
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    Actually I don't think it's that big of stretch for Obi-Wan to have children. He fell in love with Duchess Satine of Mandalore before TPM and almost left the order for her. He still loved her in The Clone Wars, but it didn't work out :D I think it is quite possible that he had some romance in those 20 years of guarding Luke, when no Jedi Order was around.. Though I don't think it's very probable, because it would be a big retcon and a lot of explaining..
     
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    I agree, but it's in the same vein as if she was Obi-Wan's granddaughter, "Hey by the way, Obi-Wan had a son that we never told you about until now and well... That's his daughter."

    I don't particularly believe in the Rey Kenobi theory but I do think it's interesting nonetheless.

    Hadn't thought about it like that, good point.
     
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    Leia was well aware of Obi-Wan Kenobi through her life as it made it seem in ANH .
     
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    yes, and i said she knew of Obi-Wan. did she know he was called Ben on Tatooine? she knew Luke called him Ben. that's all that matters.

    regardless, Ben is a nice nod as jmjawors noted above, because he brought he and Han together whether they knew him well or not.
     
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    The Internet theory that Padmé and Obi-Wan had a thing and Luke and Leia are actually Obi-Wan sons makes all the Star Wars Movies so far much more interesting. In that order of thoughts Kylo got his grandfather alias as a name.
     
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    I said this a while ago but I still think that's kind of cliched because it reminds me of all of the kids in Harry Potter being named after a dead character .
     
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    eh ~ it's how naming legacies work. my brother is named after my father, named after my grandfather....doesn't strike me as cliché.

    better Ben than something absurd like Anakin.
     
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    Except that makes Obi-Wan the biggest jerk in the entire galaxy, knock up a guy's wife and then cut his arm and legs off and leave him for dead? Lie to your own children about their supposed father and continue to lie after they figure out the fake truth in order to cover up your shame? Pretty low as far as low goes.

    Additionally, Leia wouldn't know about this so being named after his grandfather would be unintentional.

    In Harry Potter it makes total sense, they were with these people for 5+ years (depending on the character). For Harry these people were basically his family since he didn't have a family of his own.
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    Again, makes sense since these people are like Harry's family, or literally Harry's family in regards to his first child.
     
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    Lol true I meant like how Gary potter names his kids "Albus Severus" lol
     
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    I think this is spot on. Without Obi-Wan hiring Han, without him helping them escape the Death Star, etc. Han and Leia would not have happened...

    As to Leia knowing Obi-Wan as Ben, well, it seems she does know Ben Kenobi and Obi-Wan are the same person and calls him Ben Kenobi as well...Example here.

    (Also, if I remember correctly throughout the OT Luke refers to Kenobi as Ben, not as Obi-Wan...)
     
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    Maybe Obi Wan made a secret deal with the Kaminoans, there was an Obi Two Kenobi.
     
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    Bail organs knew all about k e n o b I so Gaia daughter must have too with her being involved
     
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    +1 for that literal Uncle Ben crackup. But honestly it is an interesting theory and could potentially fit in with the story :)
     
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    Good plan considering the deal the jedi master before him made.
     
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