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Phasma - What is her point?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by SethW, Jan 13, 2018.

  1. DarthSnow

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    Uh, I guess it's impossible to know whether or not there is armor under her armor, and whether assumed armor could withstand a point blank blast on the chin, sure? Sorry if I'm missing something here...

    Right. If I was her, and encountered them with reasonable time to react, that trio is probably history. But she was ambushed and subsequently held in a very vulnerable position.

    I understand what you're getting at, but I am purely looking at it from the standpoint of a soldier seeing his comrade being cut down at the hands of the enemy. To me, gender does not matter in that situation. But if someone else wants to let the male/female roles and relationships define that scenario, I guess they're welcome to do so.

    I dunno man. That's not what I came here to argue, and I don't want to get into that kind of stuff. I was just presenting an idea or way to have Phasma come out of this with the upper hand, paving the way for The Rubber Match in IX.
     
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    She isn’t held at point blank range under the chin the entirety of the time though. When they ambush her, yeah, but not while she’s sitting at the shield control station and that’s where it mattered most. We have no real idea what the limitations of the armor are. And it ultimately doesn't really matter.

    Maybe she took the most sensible course. Maybe she’s simply an extraordinary coward. Could go either way with how it was presented. It’s certainly not how I’d expect a loyalist with uber armor to act in that situation though. Which is what you were getting at. “What would you do?” Well, to be honest, probably not that.
    I was only offering a practical counterpoint to why they wouldn’t likely go that specific route. Optics and perceptions *shouldn’t* hinder the writing process, but they do. Sorry to be a killjoy. This is supposed to be fun :oops:
     
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    Right right, sorry I guess I was looking at that particular example as the entirety of her predicament. But yeah, I kinda feel like that scene is a microcosm of her entire character; cool idea but again, it just doesn't work.

    That's just the problem, and a huge part of all the backlash and other "issues" with the ST (in my opinion). We're not dealing with perfect movies by any means, but everything is put under a microscope and on a pedestal at the same time, and more often than not there's problems perceived where there was never one to begin with.

    Hahaha I am having fun! You definitely Devil's Advocated me into full on defensive wtf is happening here? mode, though... :p
     
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    Finn obstacle and face of his fear, First Order brass member aka head trooper, toy seller as well as latest iteration of a running gag?

    Works for me nicely.
     
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    Only she never was loyal to the bone. As mentioned in Dawson's Phasma, she was the one who murdered Brendol Hux- the man who recruited her.
     
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    Same thing with Snoke, etc. That's why it's a badly written movie.
     
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    I feel like she had so much potential as the comics and the phasma book really set the character up for the last Jedi but it was purely wasted.
     
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    Great topic but I have to disagree just a little bit with the OP about something.

    Yes, Phasma was a waste of potential. Yes, Phasma serves no purpose that any other FO character couldn't have served.

    But no, LucasFilm did not hype her up. We did that all by ourselves.
     
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    No Disney and Lucas film did hype up phasma. If she is an insignificant character why would they make a book and comic for her just to be wasted like that.
     
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    Because fans ask info and backstories about every single thing in star wars
     
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    Phasma represents Finn's past. Finn was under her command, until he defected. He tried to run from his past but it was still there wherever he went. In TLJ he finally confronted his past and fought phasma. After she was "killed" he was more courageous risking his own life for the resistance instead of running away.
     
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    Yuuup
    Phasma was created because it was a dope Kylo Ren design they didn't want to scrap.
    The hype was minimal.
     
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    Yes but why would they go to all that effort to then kill her off unless she is alive still. Then she would of had 2 near death experiences lol.
    (phasma)
     
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    Because like someone said is Finn's test, his past, something that he has to defeat to grown as character......and tbecause they thought that would be a waste scrap that character design
     
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    I see Phasma as a foil/mirror to Finn. Someone who represents a true psychopath within the FO's ranks and who actually enjoys murdering people.
     
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    I personally like Phasma. But yes, she is the most wasted character in the new trilogy. They tried to make her this generation's Boba Fett but failed.

    I wish they kept this scene in here rather than the one we got. It would have helped her character overall. This is the ending they should have given us.


    Who thinks she might be still alive?
     
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    You may be right with regards to E7, but Phasma was front and center in the Journey to The Last Jedi material released in September. I enjoy both her novel and comic series. I could not believe how under-utilized she was in E8.
     
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    I am not watching TLJ until tonight (!!!), but I don't get the point of Phasma at this point, either. I think her look is really cool, but she's sort of just shoe-horned in there with nothing particularly spectacular about her.
     
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    My son and his friend loved the idea of Phasma before TFA. He begged for her costume for Halloween, this from a kid who isn't much of a SW fan to begin with. The costume ended up being a point of argument between them when they'd play dress up, since they both wanted to be her. After seeing her in TFA, the costume collected dust until it was recently given away (he'd outgrown it, but it hadn't been really used since he'd seen TFA).

    Point is, even in TFA she was one of a precious few characters who had a costume available for Halloween. Hux had a bigger role, but we got less interviews with that actor and his character. I'd say Phasma got just a bit less press than Rey, Kylo and Finn for TFA, at least from the new characters. I think she definitely got more attention than Poe did. From the costume design to the relatively big name actress, she was expected to be something pretty awesome. It most definitely wasn't just fans hyping her up. She was pretty prominent in the trailers, had unique armor and was the first female storm trooper, and a captain no less. The actress also had her fair share of interviews.

    I really don't see where the fans did the hyping for this one. She was supposed to be a big deal, and so far has failed to be in any way special in two movies. I didn't realize she was entered late in TFA, so maybe it's a case that JJ couldn't squeeze her in much last second, and RJ didn't know how to write her in and was just too focused on the Rey/Luke/Kylo story to do anything but shoe horn her in.
     
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    This may be me over-defending TLJ (which I have come to love, after a whirlwind round of ever-changing opinions), but I think Phasma was *supposed* to be a failure. In light of how much criticism the ST has gotten due to "mary sue" issues and "SJW" complaints, Phasma feels like RJs way of saying "look, females can be incompetent and worthless, too, and that's why she's just a dark-side stooge". Because really, Phasma pretty much fails in every conceivable way. She is the anti-Boba Fett. In that regard, I can defend her existence in the ST, otherwise, yeah, she's pretty much an action figure that might as well have been Sarco Plank.
     
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