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'Pilgrim' - Title Meaning Speculations

Discussion in 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' started by NinjaRen, Feb 28, 2020.

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Do you like the working title?

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  3. I only care about the actual title

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  1. NinjaRen

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    According to HN Entertainment (https://hnentertainment.co/lucasfilms-kenobi-series-has-the-working-tile-of-pilgrim/) the Kenobi TV series has the working title 'Pilgrim'. This is quite an interesting and also very fitting title for Kenobi.

    => This pretty much screams "Ben Kenobi".

    So, either Kenobi is on a journey to a physical place which holds importance to his character - he's wandering the desert to find this place.

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    Or it's a spiritual journey. Obi-Wan tries to obtain his master's - Qui-Gon Jinn - ability to be one with the Force. That needs a lot of self awareness and meditation.

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    Personally I hope it's a mixture of both defintions. He's on a spiritual journey to reach a higher form of existence in the Force, while he has to deal with and protect a holy place (probably Lars' Homestead) from enemies.

    What do you think?
     
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    Meh... watch the title just ending up being Obi-Wan Kenobi. That said, word pilgrim means that someone is on a quest to find something--usually it's spiritual. So, yes I agree it's a "spiritual journey".
     
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    I think it will just be called 'Kenobi'. Personally I would love a title like 'Kenobi: Wizard of the Desert'.
     
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    I'm excited that the working title is called that, because will likely get more Force lore and I'm always game for that. I'm concerned though that they're going to have a villian, for the sake of having one, 'because it's Star Wars and you need one'. This would be a chance to let the tension be a spiritual (force) inner conflict rather then something/someone from the outside.
     
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    Since they changed the working title and the delay I feel this has something to do with Deborah Chow coming on board to direct. Everyone was surprised about the news of the delay of the series from what was said in August at D23 when they said they already have the scripts. Thing is they hadnt picked the director(s) yet. So what a month or 2 later they pick Deborah Chow. Not only did they pick her for a couple of episodes they picked her to direct the whole series. To me that means she has more of a vision and more control over the show then a normal TV series director. So makes me think she read all the scripts and knows the whole story and provided input, input they liked enough to delay and change the story/scripts.

    Focusing the story on a pilgrimage Obi-Wan needs to take to understand training with Qui-Gon force ghost (force voice) excites me and provides what concerns me most. How to get Obi-Wan off of Tatooine that makes sense. I dont want the series to be all on Tatooine. Obi-Wan needs to stay clear of Imperial entanglements. Cant have Vader come looking for him. Yet, we need to get off of Tatooine. Nothing left of interest to see on Tatooine.
     
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    My general reaction to working titles is to treat them as little more than that- a placeholder. I mean, if anyone could've heard Blue Harvest in the early '70s and gleaned much meaningful info about ANH, more power to them... but I certainly don't have that supernatural ability.

    However, "Pilgrim" is a curious name for this. If it is in fact meaningful, my take is that it means that Obi Wan will not spend his entire time on Tatooine, since that is what many of us are expecting. Not sure if that means he's going to Jedha, Mortis, Ahch-To, the Well of the Force, Dagobah, or even the old Jedi Temple on Coruscant. Or somewhere else entirely.

    I like the interpretation that it's a spiritual journey, and no doubt that's also the case- but I'm skeptical that watching Obi Wan mediate for a season of TV is the makings of an engaging show.
     
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    I would love a similar journey to what Yoda goes on at the end of Clones Wars season 6
     
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    No doubt this is Obi-Wan's theodicy, a search for the validation of divine providence in a world where Evil exists. Myself I am hoping for something of a more spiritual installation in the series so this title is interesting to me. But the tale of a solitary monk meditating in a cave and seeking knowledge is not as visually appealing to children as flashing lights.
     
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    Maybe it's not made for children. If they want to turn Kenobi in a flashy action series then I want them to stay away from that character. Kenobi deserves better.
     
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    I would argue that "pilgrim", as it is with all SW working titles, isn't necessarily a title that holds much relevance to the series' plots and character. Of course, Kenobi involved in a pilgrimage in some way (spiritual or actual) would fit the desert hobo quite well. I, however, took the title to be a Western reference via the John Wayne catchphrase.



    Perhaps there's a John Wayne-esque side character in the show, bringing an awesome perspective much like Kuill did for The Mandalorian ;)
     
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    I heard about Star Wars Pilgrim and I am looking forward to watch it. I really want to see again Obi Wan Kenobi. However I am a little bit tired with all these movies and series set between TROS and ANH. I hope it's something enjoyable.
     
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    Me too. But it makes sense for Kenobi to have it set between ROTS and ANH.
     
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    Absolutely but what about Obi Wan that trains Anakin between TPM and AOTC? In 10 years I would like to know what happened to the two jedi and see some adventures together. For example I liked The Clone Wars because is set in an unusual timeline, between ep 2 and 3 and not between two trilogies.
    In Pilgrim I really want to see Obi Wan being trained by his old master Qui Gon. And maybe meet Yoda again.
     
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    I would have liked that too. I even would like a series set before TPM - Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. But the actors are too old now.
     
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