SPECULATION plot speculation for Episode VIII

I think we have to let the Jedi Order be what they said in TFA, legend/history. As I did once think of the possiblity of restarting a new Jedi Order before TFA, I think now we have to leave it has an historic era. forming a new Jedi order, which Luke was trying to do(in TFA) would just be a recycle of the PT. He tried and some turned to the darkside, so that a piece taken from Ep. III. I think Luke will train Rey on how to use the abilities of the force as a whole. Rey is the "Awakening" she is able to use the force without training. Force sensitve. She is attracted to the lightsaber and has visions. She is able to control the force over Kylo. Yoda taught Luke to use the force in a mind and body sense. in the PT the force was apart of the Jedi Order, the more Jedi's the stronger the light side was. Now in TFA its force driven. The more you learn how to harness the force in light or dark the stronger you become. Rey was able to over power Kylo cause she was able to calm her self and use her ablilites over him. Snoke wanted Kylo to complete his training in the sense of learning the darkside of it. Yoda said to Luke " the last of the Jedi you will be" so her abilities to use a " Jedi" relic in the lightsaber made her use it as a weapon when she isnt a Jedi. Finn used it but wasnt as capable in the force like Rey or Kylo. In other thread i said something like what you said, that Rey=Luke Kylo=Vader Poe=Han Finn=Leia. Leia is force sensitive but doesnt wield a lightsaber or harness the power like Luke. Luke would be like Yoda in the OT. I just cant see them going back. neverending it would be. Thats why they had SW Canon and SW EU(legends Disney says). But if they went that route then they should of just kept the EU. George Lucas was done making SW films even if he didnt sell it to Disney or regret it. I really want to know the script George had in mind for EP. VII though. it possibly could of been reforming the Jedi Order. Just saying to go with your theory Sleepysheep.

May the force be with you always...

 

I agree with most of these.. just 2 notes:

• Wasn't the Republic's capital one of the destroyed planets? I think that Hux says in his speech that with that attack they would end the Republic or something like that... Or did they just destroy the fleet?
• I hope they don't do the Poe and Finn both in love.. I though it worked fine as it was, with just Finn having a crush on her... I don't think that Poe needs that plot point...

 

Great thread! My plot possibilities would be:

• Rey and Kylo Ren being trained by their respective mentors
• Rey, Chewie and R2 need to persuade Luke to return to Leia
• Force ghosts advise Luke on what to do
• Leia becomes Chancellor of the Republic in the wake of her victory over the First Order, but starts to gradually succumb to the dark side following Han's death and the estrangement from her son
• Leia faces Snoke and Kylo Ren and things take an unexpected turn
• Leia is influenced by Benicio Del Toro's character who is maybe a senator from a system aligned to the First Order
• The Republic develops its own super-weapon or militarises more (parallell to the PT where Leia is becoming next Empress)
• Finn recovers and receives pilot training from Poe and BB-8
• Lando returns and is a general with the Resistance
• Phasma is drummed out of the first order after it is discovered that she allowed the destruction of Starkiller Base

 

I agree with the idea of juxtaposed Light side and Dark side training, which would be very interesting. I also think they need to revisit elements from Rey's vision and perhaps other events between RotJ and TFA, so Episode VIII may have a Godfather Part II flavor, with a decent amount of screen time allocated to past events and flashbacks, potentially as additional visions. This could be accomplished intermixed with training. I just hope that if Luke has already found the first Jedi temple (on the island or where ever), that he has gained new insights into the Force, so that Rey's training is not just a rehash of Light/Dark between Yoda and Luke in ESB.
(PS I hope Snoke is on Korriban.)

 

We need to have a familiar planet to return to as that was lacking in TFA. Yavin 4 would be a good choice. Explore the ancient temple on Poe Dameron's homeworld to find Sith artifact prehaps?

 

I thought you said Finn and Poe fell in love i need sleep holy blast

 

Gives a whole new meaning to the "Hey buddy!" scene...

 

FinnxPoe Finn Dameron XD

 

Rey with Luke, training to become a jedi.

Finn with Leia, training to become a 'big deal' (AKA LEADER) in the resistance (which leaves open the FS possibility, since Leia is FS and Finn could be too)

Ren training with Snoke

I see these things happening.

 

Plus isn't poe about 10 years older than Rey? Cause remember she's only 19 that'd be a bit weird.

 

The resistance needs capital ships because they lost the use of the Republic's ships. Perhaps one part of 8 is Leia searching for new ships with the help of Lando Calrissian. That's how Lando can meet Finn and (hopefully) reveal he is his father.

 

Just a few wants, (a couple of no-brainers that will happen), but obviously the plot will not be limited to these:

Snoke training Kylo Ren
Luke training Rey
Audience discovering that Rey is actually Han/Leia's, or Luke's daughter. I don't care as long as she has Skywalker blood.
Resistance/Republic re-grouping
First Order re-grouping
Sides being taken within the galaxy.

 

All of the Lando is Finn's father talk is... stupid, to me.

Just because they're both Black doesn't mean they're related. Their skin tones are completely different & they look nothing alike.

If they were the same era I could see Windu being related to Finn. "Finn Windu." & Mace was always the "do as I say not as I do" type Jedi in regards to the Code. But they aren't. Oh well.

I also thought "2187" rearranged as 8712 kind of sounds like Mace Windu. 8-7 1-2, Ma-ce Win-du.

 

So Johnson has listed two movies he's watching to prepare for Episode 8:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_Never_Sent_(film)

Plot (From wiki): "A guide and three geologists head to the boreal forest of central Siberia. After much strenuous effort and nearly running out of food, they succeed in finding diamonds in Bolshaya Zemlya. Before they can return, they are trapped by a forest fire that cuts them off from the canoe where their supplies are kept. Now the battle is to survive."

Pretty easy to see how that will play out in Star Wars. Luke and Rey, or Snoke and Ren, go looking for a crystal to make a lightsaber, get attacked, have to fight their way out. Given they seem to be shooting a lot in Ireland, I think Kylo Ren will actually be the one looking for a crystal with or without Snoke while Luke and Rey train at the Jedi temple planet. If Ren is on some quest looking for a new crystal in a location strong in the force...could explain the Hayden Christensen rumors where he is encountered as a force spirit or some kind of reverse version of Luke's vision on Dagobah.

Next movie is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_O'Clock_High

Plot (From imdb): "An American Bomber Group low on morale and performance after heavy losses over the skies of Nazi Germany. General Frank Savage, a desk bound staff chief, is sent to the group after the Bomber Commander is relieved of duty. At first encountering resistance, Savage eventually shows the pilots how to take pride in their unit and serve above and beyond the standards of the Army Air Corps."

I would bet on Poe and Finn going to a system near First Order occupied space where Poe teaches Finn to become an X-Wing pilot while building up a new X-Wing squadron which conducts raids on First Order bases. Also suspect Benicio del Toro will end up playing either a First Order admiral, a turn-coat New Republic admiral, or a local system governor trying to play both sides.

Most we have to go on at least. These two movies, del Toro's slip up and retraction, and the Christensen rumors.

 

I think an interesting sub plot would be Leia and Chewbacca searching for Kylo Ren aboard the Millennium Falcon. Leia desperately wanting to save her son from the dark side and Chewbacca wanting to kill him could bring some interesting and intense moments.

It could go like this. Basically Chewbacca wants no part of her secret mission and wants Kylo dead but she forces him to help her using shameful tactics such as, "Han would have wanted it this way" or "You owe it to me to help me" or "You owe it to Han to save his son" etc, etc.

I could see Leia turning into a real b@tch and treating Chewbacca like a walking carpet, while Chewbacca goes along with it for his own hidden agenda. Fireworks anyone?

 

I think Luke needs to train Rey sort of mirroring Empire Strikes Back. Finn will be pursued by Phasma sort of how Han was being chased in Empire. Rey will sense this and come to aid him only to be confronted by Kylo again. Kylo will have finished his training and will be close to being crushed when Luke steps in and stops him but won't kill him due to the fact he is family. I think that by the time the last movie comes Luke will have to die saving all the new characters and thats when Rey goes off and defeats Kylo for good. I think its too much to kill off Han and then Luke in the next episode.

 

I think the obvious conclusion here is the dual (or trio?) training...

Therefore, they aught to have a bad ass training montage going between the two sides. No wait.... Three sides.

Rey and Kylo: Running with hoodies on. Doing pull ups on the local playground. Punching the air. Destroying computers with lightsabers. Then throw in shots of Poe training Finn on all the resistance equipment and shooting at the range. Nailing Yavin IV womp rats or swamp rats or whatever in x-wings ...ect...

It could be the most glorious 3 minutes of the movie.

Found Poe and Finn....

 

I think the theme of Snoke's search for Luke will continue. If the First Order is hunting for Luke Skywalker then they need to find a way to draw him into the conflict. As far as dominating the movies it would be easy to give him a task (like Gandalf in Two Towers) that occupies him while the new batch of heroes go about their business. It would also be easy for Luke to be captured by the First Order. I think having him end the new Trilogy in charge of a new Jedi Academy would also be nice but maybe a little bit too nice. Either way I think it is entirely possible to bring the new cast on as the main characters without killing off more of the old cast.

 

I would be impressed if Han's warning to Ben was somehow prophetic. That snoke crushes kylo once he gets what he wants. It would be sad, and tragic... And a new twist for star wars.

One thing that puzzles me - they paint snoke as being very much afraid of luke. Maybe luke is where snoke got his scars. And this happened before kylo was turned. I dunno.
It's pretty clear in TFA that snoke doesn't want to find luke, he is just trying to keep leia from it. And kylo is defying his orders.

I think that luke has learned or is learning how to kill snoke. (Jedi relics or wisdom gained from his seclusion)...

I also feel very strongly that Rey has been chosen by the force to be the one to do it. To kill snoke.

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I disagree here. Think about the subtle clues in TFA that we saw.
Snoke was concerned with keeping luke hidden from the good guys. He wanted the map destroyed if necessary.
Kylo was the one who wanted bb8 "unharmed". And hux accused kylo of letting his personal feelings get in the way.

Now that skywalker has been found by rey, the story moves into phase 2.