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SPECULATION Plot Thoughts

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Ben-K-OB1, Aug 26, 2019.

  1. cawatrooper

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    It's not, though, that's the problem.

    This entire premise hinges on knowing the specifics of how the Force (a mystical element) would interact with a cloning process, as well as trying to apply that specifically to Rey.

    Like, what if there are hundreds of "Rey clones", but only Rey and the dark side user we see in that trailer are the only FS ones? As in, they just happened to be FS, and didn't inherit it specifically from the process?

    Or (and hear me out)... maybe you and I simply do not know the specifics of the science/mysticism behind this? You know, because we're not in universe Kaminoans and haven't spent grad school filling out punnet squares for Jedi? :p
     
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    Additionally... Daisy herself when asked about DarkRey, has spoke of facing “ inner demons ”. That has nothing to do with cloning or possession.

    About possession I seriously believe
    that many of us are taking for granted MSW leaks/rumors. And that everything comes down from that post/article. We should remember that is just a rumor. And that a rumor, even the best one, may be spot on but not 100% correct
     
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    If the "Star KIller" clone in the Star Wars The Force Unleashed video games can have clones with Force powers then maybe, in films; clones, characters may too have limited Force abilities.
    It seems like JJ & KK-Lucasfilm/ILM pushed for the new bright red "Sith Troopers" to have special skills.
    Id wager a gal of sea monster milk they will be clones or have Force uses.

    TFM
    (boba fett)
     
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    ^ The Force Unleashed isn't Canon any longer, making anything that happened in it irrelevant.
     
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    Okay here comes my theory why the mighty skywalker blood isn't the issue here..

    Well cloning isn't actually replicating force sensitivity it is replicating a person with all the attributes it has by nature.
    so maybe mediclorians life in the blood of a person. But In a complex way you can't even figure out it's coded in the dna how much of them can survive in your blood and how long it might take to get there (as in they aren't there from the beginning but take up residence over time).
    That might increase the probabillity of being forcesensitive if at least one of your parents is, but leaves room for children of super powerful force users still be not forcesensitive at all.
    But well I'm not a fan of a) Rey being a clone and b) having to explain everything in a somewhat mystic galaxy.
    I'm just not convinced at all that cloning a force sensitive is that improbable.
     
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    The thing with clone Rey is wouldn't you still have to explain what happend to real Rey? It would seem counterproductive.
     
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    Not to mention X1 and X2 from Elite Squadron. There's precedent for it.

    True, but let's not pretend like LFL would consider someone's Tweets canon, either.

    They'll do what they consider best for the story.
     
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    Non plot idea/speculation but a try.
    I think we can now put some events/planets in order.

    First Jungle planet. JJ said so. And it should be where and when Rey says “I am goin alone” to which not Poe (as previously reported) but Finn (I believe after hearing the leaked footage from D23) replays “we’re going together “

    Millennium Falcon. Poe is wearing the scarf on his neck. And that’s important.

    Desert planet. Poe still wears the scarf on his neck.

    Then Zorrii and DO planet.

    Then DS planet. That because Poe is now wearing the scarf on his arm as a bondage and because D.O. can be seen on that cliff.

    The question is however when and where Janna is introduced.

    The leaked images of Poe (scarf in the arm), Finn and Jenna seem to match the environment of the DS planet. But it’s not a given that they meet there.

    In addition, if they do meet there, there’s the chance that the DS planet comes before relatively early, if Jenna is introduced at that point in the story.

    What I mean is that or she’s going to have far less screen time we are probably thinking, or all those scenes come from the first act/first half of the second act.

    There’s another picture of Poe in what it looks like a resistance base. The scarf is not at his neck. Meaning that the scene has to come shortly before or after the DS planet

    If this sequence is correct then it’s really interesting trying to figurate out how long the movie really is, how much screen time some new characters are going to get. And whether or not we’ve seen anything beyond the first half of the movie...
     
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    That’s not a clone. That’s Frankenstein Rey. A spawn.

    A clone is an identical DNA copy of an original human.
     
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    Loved reading up to this point and going to laugh my head off it Rey turns out to be a clone after all. Considering the Sith use the force in unnatural ways anything is possible in the film, cloning with a little Sith alchemy is beyond simple blood transfusions. It wouldn't be beyond the film to tweak what has been said previously. Let us wait and see what is canon.
     
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    As for possible plot I think Leia will ask Rey and the gang to look for Lando or someone, whereas Kylo will find out that Palpatine is still active and wants to either turn Rey or/and kill Leia. Kylo will alert Rey and the resistance about it. Rey will not trust Kylo. They will fight. Rey or Kylo will become Palpatine’s prisoner. Palpatine will manipulate Rey with what he knows about her origin. Rey will be conflicted but in the end she will turn good. In a fight Rey and Kylo will save each other from palpatine. Only the strength of both kylo and Rey combined kills the emperor. Kylo will do some kind of selfless redeeming act, like saving Finn. Kylo will not die.

    Finn and Poe will argue about Poe’s dark past. They will split paths for some of the film.

    I’m stuck there :)
     
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    Just to add/edit something...

    It looks like in the VF article it is said that the horses that Jenna and Finn ride, are native of the Pasaana (the desert planet).
    If so, then Jenna is introduced relatively early on.
    And of course, the time spent by our heroes on that planet has to be a little bit longer than it could have been with Jenna introduced later on.
     
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    From the promotional material, it looks like Palpatine and the imperial fleet will play a prominent role. So I’m thinking that the burning down of the FO that Poe predicted will happen early in the movie. This will make way for Palpatine becoming the main antagonist. Maybe the war between the resistance and FO was all part of the plan just like the Clone Wars.

    Kylo is redeemed and Rey turns dark. Ben becomes the hero of the trilogy and the one referenced in the title. He brings Rey back to the light and they together destroy Palpatine.

    Leia becomes Queen of the galaxy. Another fulfillment of the the film’s title.


    Those are my predictions.
     
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    (At least today :)),

    I don’t think Rey will go dark. I think it’s a vision of a possible alternate reality or a twin or a clone or she gets possessed or something.

    I think Kylo Ren will be redeemed, turn back to the light.

    If we remember in The Last Jedi both Kylo and Rey thought they saw the other turning, so it makes sense that that happen in some way - but they didn’t know exactly what glimpses of the future they saw, or when that would happen.
     
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    Rey going on a big grand adventure with Finn, Poe, and Chewie, then turning dark, only to return to the light again is far too much for one movie, even if it is three hours long. Plus, Disney is not going to turn its new Star Wars princess dark and to remain that way at the end of the Skywalker Saga.

    Therefore, I say that consistent with rumors, "Dark Rey" is only a vision of the potential future when Rey is finally confronted with her own struggle with the dark side. In the alternative, it is a vision of what Rey was intended to become due to some truly dark origins.
     
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    TFA and TLJ set up a story of just Kylo/Ben vs Rey.

    No cloning crap, no Palpatine, no secret identity.

    This film could have just been about those two, good over coming evil.

    Instead we are treated to a mess of dumb ideas and lazy writing.
     
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