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Plot Twist Idea: What if Vader wasn't Luke's father?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Kylo Solo, May 21, 2019.

  1. Kylo Solo

    Kylo Solo Force Sensitive

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    Here's a plot twist idea for you guys. Upon just watching Empire Strikes Back again, this idea came to mind. We all know the infamous scene on Cloud City where Darth Vader informs Luke that he is his father. This time, it got me thinking, what if that scene never happened? What if Vader was never Luke's father? How different would that have changed Vader's relationship to Luke? Would Luke still have cared deeply to turn Vader back over to the light side if he knew the prophecy that Vader was the Chosen One?

    What are your thoughts on it?
     
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  2. NinjaRen

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    In one of the first drafts of "The Empire Strikes Back" by the deceased screenplay writer Leigh Brackett Darth Vader and Luke's father (just called Master Skwalker) weren't the same people.
    There was a scene featuring Luke summon Ben's Force ghost, who also brings Luke's father along. Master Skywalker reveals that Luke has a twin sister named Nellith.

    Darth Vader tries to communicate with Luke by help of the force, they even fight by the help of the force. Sounds familiar, right?

    I don't think so. Vader would have just been a villain to get rid off.
     
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  3. Crusifix

    Crusifix Rebel General

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    Anakin isn't their father. They were created by Palpatine through manipulation of midichlorians...again. Maybe...LOL
     
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    I have thought about this many times as I have a different view on this topic: What if SW was more like Indiana Jones movies? Meaning each new standalone movie would have been about the adventures of Luke, Leia and Han with a new Story/MacGuffin/Villain? It would essentially be called Star Wars 2, Star Wars 3,etc.

    I don’t think the movie would have the depth that the SW Saga has, but I think it would have opened up more storytelling possibilities and not being locked into telling one cohesive story.
     
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    If Anakin wasn't Luke's dad the rest of the trilogy wouldn't have got anywhere.
     
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    If Vader hadn't been Luke's father then I don't think Luke would have made it off Cloud City alive. Seems like Vader could have easily killed him but was only toying with him because he wanted his son alive. Or going further back, he probably wouldn't have set up the whole thing at Cloud City to capture his son in the first place if it weren't his son. It was a huge plot twist that can't be easily undone. And in terms of Jedi, maybe Luke isn't obligated to turn himself in and face his father to try and redeem him if Vader isn't his father. But then again would Vader have even let the shuttle through if his son hadn't been on board? We could go on and on, it's a pretty big part of the story to alter.
     
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    If the twist hadn't happened, then it's interesting to think about how much differently the ending of ESB, RotJ, and then the prequels (and by extension everything after that) would've turned out. The revelation that Vader is Luke's father completely changes his role in the story from that point on, and is probably what led to him being the central character in the prequels. I think the twist was the right decision for the story and helped give it a lot of emotional depth. But still, I do wonder about what direction the story would've gone in otherwise.
     
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    Vader would have remained a terror of the galaxy. The revelation he is a father humanized the “machine” monster and made him relatable; this led to Vader’s descent into a less terrifying villian in ROTJ and his almost destruction in the Prequels. Let me be clear I liked Hyden’s Anakin, but I felt his attempt to transform into the the Dark Lord. What we gain in Vader’s reveal in ESB is the family connection and story, but it did weaken Vader as s villian; making him more relatable. IMHO.
     
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