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SPECULATION Poe Dameron and the village on Jakku

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Fussel2107, Oct 26, 2015.

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How will Poe react when the village is attacked?

  1. He will do what his mission commands.

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  2. He will abandon the mission and aid the villagers.

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  3. Neither, he will... (add comment below)

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  1. Fussel2107

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    In the YA book about Leia she says something interesting about Poe Dameron. That his commitment and his sense of duty are beyond doubt and how she is worried what it might cost him in the long run.

    Now, we know that he is present on Jakku during the attack and very likely has the lightsaber Kylo Ren is after.

    We also can be reasonably sure that Kylo Ren executes one or more villagers, slaughtering dozens more as an after thought to find that lightsaber.
    But where is Poe Dameron in all this?
    Is he watching these people die, sacrificing them for the sake of his mission, even though he is the one who could hand over the object and end it?
    Will he really stand in the background, trying to not get involved and found out until he can't hide anymore?

    Some people have speculated that Poe might turn dark side. Let's be real, that would be pretty dark to begin with.
    Is he conflicted about what he does? Is this the beginning of his hero's journey? Or his descent?

    Would someone who has grown up with the rebellion and the stories about heroes and Jedi, a Force tree, for heaven's sake growing in his backyard, do that?


    On the other hand, there is a shot in one of the trailers of a blue laser shot hitting the landing ramp right in front of the stormtroopers and of him with his gun raised.

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    So, does he go the other route and sacrifice himself with the lightsaber safely tucked away with BB-8, trying to put himself between the FO and the innocents? And he must know what this will mean for him.
    It would perfectly well fit with Leia's characterization of him too.

    Which one will it be? And how significant is it in the long run?

    None of the decisions are "wrong" per se. And isn't that the problem with the Light and the Dark side? That the journey is not always so clear cut and the right decision for the right reasons (duty, the well being of many or the endangerment of that to save a few dozens innocents) might be what fuels the darkness.

    And if he indeed sacrifices these people and lets them die, how can he deal with it?
     
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    I believe Poe Dameron, much like any member of the new trilogy, and the old trilogy for that matter, will be a conflicted character. Much like people in everyday life, someone has a problem. Life isn't easy and he has learned by this point that he is going to have to make some incredibly tough decisions. From what we know, he is the leader of Black Squadron by the time TFA roles around, so we know he has earned his position at some capacity meaning that he has maybe proved Leia wrong, but I believe she will be keeping a very cautious eye on him and on the path he is always taking because she wants him to succeed in the end much like the Rebellion in the original trilogy.
     
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    No chance he's turning dark (though the trailer says dark side over his shot, then light side over finn)

    He's already the main bad guy in xmen next year
     
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    I would like to think he stands his ground and helps the villagers. He is vastly outnumbered and its not just grunts he has to deal with there's Phasma leading the charge. Then, it gets worse...Kylo shows up, so if he does decide that the mission is more vital that would be understandable. Him getting killed to maybe take out a few wouldn't really help anyone just probably make them kill more villagers just in anger & spite. I didn't even notice the blue laser that would be cool even if he just took some potshots at them. This film is gonna be awesome! Also welcome to the Cantina! What a great post, gets ya thinking!
     
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    I believe he is also described somewhere as someone who is trying to prove himself as a hero. I think he will hide the saber then go in guns blazing and get captured that way.
     
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    I think Poe gets the lightsaber just before or during the attack, and before he is captured (which is inevitable - that or die) gives it to BB-8 with instructions to only hand it over to someone Leia trusts (suspect the lightsaber emerges once Han enters the scene).

    I believe Poe will create some kind of distraction in the village, which may involve surrendering, to stop the attack and give BB-8 the chance to get away or hide. I'm pretty sure that the First Order will torch the village anyway, even after his surrender in a show of power. It is this merciless approach that will contribute to Finn turning, after he loses faith in the cause he was fighting for. I think then Poe will be interrogated by Kylo Ren and from that point on he will be hunting for BB-8.
     
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    I agree! He is totally going to hide it somewhere in BB-8 and then Rey and eventually Finn will have a hold on it until the final act.
     
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    Interesting that he is close to Leia and his story seems to have parallels to hers e.g. sent on a mission by the rebels / resistance, in possession of stolen data tapes / important lightsaber, they are left with a droid, then held prisoner and interrogated, witnesses bad guys be even badder than expected, gets rescued by someone wearing stormtrooper armour...
     
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    Glad to know I am not the only one seeing in Poe the princess in peril. I mean. Even Leia draws these parallels...
    Sadly that kinda limits the romantic options with Finn, since Rey is more like Han and the saviour in stormtrooper armor was Luke.
    But anyways..btt :D
     
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    Maybe Poe is just an overall "good guy," but KR & The FO is forcing him to do a side mission for them because they are holding something hostage from him. He is still working for The Resistance but goes between working for them and The FO and is conflicted on what the right thing to do is, but, of course, he ends up doing the right thing in the end because he is inherently an overall nice guy.
     
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    then:
    1_Rey captures bb8 on jakku and find the lightsaber? makes sense.. also ..
    2_Ren get the info from torturing poe that the lightsaber is in bb8..
    3_Ren follows the signal up to jakku with the first order and
    4_ meanwhile, Finn turns against the empire and helps with Poe evasion..
    5_ they finally end up crashing on Jakku as well..


    well I like it everything connects so far, good job guys!

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    Poe-X-Wing-Jakku.jpg

    So, I found that picture I was missing. It always re-appears at some point, I always say.

    Ok, what does this tell us...
    Does he really join the fight?

    Looks like it. Likely after he handed the saber over to BB-8
    Unless I am completely wrong. Which also is a possibility.
     
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    Poe has perhaps been on Jakku for an extended period of time. Here's his speeder:

    http://www.toyhutt.com/forceawakenspoespeederbike12.html

    Force Awakens - Poe Dameron with Speeder Bike. Launch into action and adventure in the world of Star Wars! Discover the exciting stories of good versus evil in a galaxy of starships and vehicles. This civilian speeder bike has been rebuilt to survive harsh desert conditions during long-range reconnaissance missions. The 12-inch scale Speeder Bike comes with a Poe Dameron figure and accessory. Collect and battle with these and other figures and vehicles from Star Wars.

    He didn't get that speeder bike down there in his X-wing, that's for sure. And it has been specially constructed. For reconnaissance missions. Hmmm.

    There's something they're not telling us about Poe.
     
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    It's worth noting that he's mentioned as already being on - or headed for, I can't quite tell - Jakku in the epilogue of Moving Target.

    I do think that we will first be introduced to him with a scene of him landing in the village - but that's not to say that his experience there is the first part of his rodeo on Jakku.

    I think he also wants to land on Jakku after the escape, to which Finn says "We go back to Jakku, we die!" - he's probably going after BB-8 at that point.
     
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    Yes, that was a very interesting last little note in Moving Target. Leia also made it sound like whatever he was off to do, could be very dangerous, or that he'd be putting himself at significant risk in some way. There's more to it than a one-time landing in the x-wing.

    I don't think he's after just BB8, though, I think he's after Rey. The lightsaber is somehow tied up with her, I just don't feel it's coincidence they are both there together on Jakku. The lightsaber means something, it is not an end in itself, I think.
     
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    We know for certain that Poe owns BB-8 at the beginning of the movie, and we have recently learned that he meets MVS's character for a discussion in his house. What I think happens is that we get to know MVS long enough to hear his story, at which point he hands the lightsaber over. Then the First Order attacks, Poe's X-wing is destroyed, and Poe hands the lightsaber over to BB-8, who then flees and meets Rey after being captured.

    I'm going to write an editorial on this subject pretty soon, so you'll get more of an elaboration from me later.
     
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    Oh, I keep up on most of that. I just don't think that's all there is to it. ;)
     
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    Well, he gets captured. Manages to escape. Crashes back on the planet? People assume that he escapes with Finn in a TIE fighter. Could it be that they escape separately? Or if they escape together, does Poe go back to his X-wing and head back to the Resistance base, while Finn goes his own way? Why don't they stick together and go find BB-8 and leave together?
     
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    Poe's X wing is history- or so we are led to believe. But you are right, there's much we don't know. He shows up in an entirely different X-wing at Takodana. How does he get that? How does he get off Jakku? And how does he do both of those things so quickly? Why doesn't he take his jacket with him when he abandons the crashed TIE? There are a lot of missing pieces with Poe. He's a man of mystery.
     
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    I think the first order arrive at the village while Poe is talking to MVS character (which seams a bit convenient could the FO have a spy in the village or tagged Poe & are letting him do the hard work in finding the Lightsaber) they start ransacking the village & roughing up the locals in trying to find Poe but he sticks to the mission & remains hidden. It`s only when Klyo & Phasma turn up & start killing villagers that Poe comes out guns blazing & get captured (I also think Kylo & the first order burn the village to the ground after Poe capture)

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