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Poll: How do you feel about JJ directing Episode IX?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Darth Daigo, Sep 12, 2017.

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How do you feel about JJ directing IX?

  1. Great!

    78 vote(s)
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  2. Meh ...

    33 vote(s)
    25.8%
  3. Nooo!!!

    17 vote(s)
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  1. BB-Rey

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    After giving it a bit of time I am more and more comfortable with him as director but, my only two wishes are.

    1. He understands the need to bring things full circle. For all his faults Colin Trevorrow understood that Episode IX had to bring together things as an Episode I-IX full circle story. I hope J.J. gets this as well.

    2. More originality in world building, ship design, and concepts. I think I mostly feel confident in this one but, it's worth noting.

    Ulimately, I really loved The Force Awakens. Mainly for it introduced Rey. She is everything I've ever wanted in a character and more. It was also a really fun introduction back to Star Wars but, it's time we have fresh new stories to tell with new ideas that ulimately bring things together in a way that has cohesiveness in lines that start with The Phantom Menace and ends with Episode IX. Then the storytellers if they ever did decide to go beyond it wouldn't be restrained to the past to tell their stories. As it respects George by honoring the nine part trilogy he planned but, opens the door for possibilities.
     
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    Taking on IX is very different than taking on VII. It's no longer a blank slate. The new trilogy arc has been established, and expanded by RJ. By the time IX rolls around we've gotten a chance to live with these characters and see them grow.

    My hope is that this situation will accentuate JJ's strengths as a filmmaker, while minimizing his weaker tendencies.

    He is great at fostering a group dynamic, and creating a sense of fun out of that dynamic. But at times he is too cutesy -- all the throwbacks were really distracting: Han correcting Rey's parsecs line, the trash compactor thing, etc.

    I also don't feel he's that gifted of a storyteller, and the rush on TFA certainly showed. But now that they've established the framework and don't have to start from scratch -- and especially that he's picking up after RJ, who has taken JJ's original ideas in directions that JJ might not have expected -- and assuming that the new writer is a solid collaborator -- I'm cautiously optimistic we'll get something that feels satisfying.
     
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    But the fact that SKB was not part of the main plot is an argument for it not being a re-hash. In ANH the Death Star was 'the' plot. The entire story was worked around it. TFA's plot did not center around SKB; in fact we were not even introduced to it until about the half-way point of the movie. SKB was used for nothing more than a backdrop and a cause for our heros to be called into action.

    While I get that many didn't not like the use of yet another spherical planet killer, I say why not? They are still using Star Destroyers, TIE Fighters, ect, so why not try and perfect and use a weapon that is pretty damn effective and terrifying. And while I don't think it was ever confirmed, I believe it is safe to say that SKB was at the very least, in developmental stages during the time of the Empire. So The First Order would have been foolish to not pick up where the Empire left off.
     
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    Because it was just that one step too far and wholly unnecessary. It just wasn't needed.
    Obviously I agree it didn't center the plot, which is what makes it even more pointless to include.
    SKB should have been the ep9 thing. A final throw back to the OT.
     
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    I agree... Ep 9 might have been a better place for it. EIther way, I personally did not dwell on it in TFA.
     
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    i only like to dwell on it because it had snow. : D

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    It’s not that it’s a remake is that Abrams doesn’t make focused or fully realized films. All of his films are fast paced, action driven, with good performances but with no actual arc or storyline underneath. It ultimately results in a series of gimmicks which don’t pay off to anything.

    Lucas and Spielberg made very focused stories. Indiana Jones isn’t an Alan Quartermaine knock off any more than Batman is a rip off of Sherlock Holmes. The difference is Indiana Jones is a well developed character.
     
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    Allan Quatermaine was an adventurer son of a widowed deeply religious father. He loved to pursue adventures rather than the daily rigors of his life.
    He's a big game hunter.

    Indy is the son of a widowed deeply religious father and he would rather pursue adventures than the daily rigors of his life.
    He's an artifact hunter.

    Batman and Holmes stops their comparison at being brilliant detectives. Batman dresses like a bat and flies around a town at night. Holmes...doesn't do that.

    The core of their characters [Indy and Allan] is nearly identical.

    There's a difference between two characters occupying the same job/title (World's Greatest Detective) and taking the core outline of a character and changing it some.

    The point being, nothing is as original as people think.

    He's largely been asked to start off franchises. And you could argue that ONLY Spielberg and Lucas have done better over their careers for that job.
     
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    An additional point, part of what made both Star Wars and Indiana Jones so great was that George Lucas wasn't trying to be wholly original. Star Wars in particular is a mishmash of the best parts of many other genres. Adventure serials, westerns, samurai films, the list goes on. Additionally, he purposely boiled the main characters down to storytelling archetypes that have been around for thousands of years because he knew that they would resonate with people much better that way.
     
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    A-freaking-men.

    Most things are new interpretations slapped on years old archetypes and stories.
    And you know what? It's okay. In fact, it can be better than okay
     
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    Only Spielberg and Lucas? Um you’re forgetting Nolan, Raimi, Peter Jackson, James Cameron(terminator 1 & 2)


    Yes Allan and Indy have similar backgrounds but they have different personalities. The same way Jon Snow has a similar backstory as Aragorn,

    The problem with Force Awakens was that, apart from reusing the same story beats, is that it was a very emotionally unfocused story. The build up to Han solo was not satisfying. His taking off cause his son became a gang banger made no sense nor did Luke taking off because his nephew became sith emo.

    The same thing happens in Super 8, it’s an unfocused story, not sure if it wants to be a monster movie or a coming of age film or ET.

    You can’t start off a franchise wth a series of mystery boxes with no emotional satisfaction. A New Hope did not have mystery boxes. It was a focused stand alone story that room for question but also completed its arc.
     
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    Nolan started one franchise. Jackson started one, the Hobbit was a bad misfire. Cameron started one.
    Raimi closer with 2.

    JJ started TFA, Star Trek, Lost....

    They don't have similar backgrounds. They have the same backgrounds. And yes Lucas changed some things, because of course he did. He didn't want to get sued. But Jones is just a take on Quatermaine.

    This is wholly opinionated by you. The story beats have been reused all throughout Star Wars. it's part of the nature of the series. Lucas did it in ROTJ and TPM. He didn't just take off because his son was a "gang banger" and Luke didn't take off because his nephew was a "Sith emo." Your choice of words here explains a lot and honestly make me entirely ready to be done with this conversation.
     
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    JJ did not start Star Trek, that was created 50 years ago. It is soft reboot in a large franchise, hence why Leonard Nimoy showed up. Technically Nolan started two with Man of Steel. And Peter jackson also started the Mortal Engines franchise. James Cameron also has the Avatar franchise going. But whatever, doesn’t matter.

    Didn’t intend for this to get that heated honestly. Yes it’s in my opinion, I am expressing why I am not that excited about Abrams taking over. I actually liked TFA fine. But I just found it gimmicky and all over the place. I don’t mind if there are similarities to other movies but in my opinion the film was unfocused. Creed may be a remake of Rocky in the plot sense but the film had its own life and had a fully realized script. Yes, Jedi reused the death star but the movie at least had a life of its own and brought new things to the table that defined Star Wars.

    My problem with TFA was that it was clouded in a bunch of mystery boxes, which you can only do if you have an answer or a good payoff that is emotionally satisfying, which is why I am not sure that he is the best choice for Episode IX, the supposed final part of the Skywalker Saga. I hope I am proven wrong.

    Han literally took off when his son became a Sith or a member of the knights of ren. He even said that to Leia in the movie. To me, that didn’t feel true to the character developed throughout the first three. In Empire, he goes out in a deadly snow blizzard to save his friend but he just becomes a selfish smuggler because his son went bad? And Luke went on a suicide mission to save his father (soon I’ll be dead) but decides to become a hermit because his apprentice went rogue? At least Obi-Wan went to confront Anakin right away before fleeing to Tatooine. Hopefully Luke’s story is explained better in VIII.
     
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    I totally get what you're saying and agree with your assessment of the OT characters. But you can't just say because character A did something when he was 25 years he is going to do the EXACT thing at 55 years old.

    I guess my point is that the subtext of these films is how the parents fail their kids despite the fact that they are heroes. That is very realistic because you look at the World War 2 generation who come home as heroes in 1945 for saving the world. Yet their children's generation were apart of the Vietnam era when the country was most divided. The WW2 generation and Baby Boomers are nothing alike.

    Thats where the ST gets to the big picture and how history keeps repeating itself. Many fans look at TFA as a replay of ANH but that happens in the real world when think of the old saying, "Those who don't follow history are doomed to repeat it." Han, Luke and Leia did exactly what Anakin, Obiwan, Padme's did and the same result happened with another Skywalker turning to the Darkside.

    That's why Luke's story in Episode 8 is so interesting. He is the only who sees it (just like he was the only one saw redeeming his father). Remember Leia told him to run away in ROTJ not stand up and fight. Luke sees Rey as this powerful Force user and probably thinks, "Here we go again....".

    I have no idea where Luke takes us in Episode 8 just like nobody thought he would throw down his saber in ROTJ. He doesn't want to repeat the past. He tried to run away, but Rey finding him will make him confront it now.
     
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    That’s fair and I understand that. My big problem was that the choices that these characters made didn’t feel emotionally satisfying. For example, we don’t know the relationship that Han has with his son the way we did with Luke and Obi-wan. We also didn’t get a fully developed relationship with Han and Rey, so when he died, it felt flat. But if Han actually had an arc in the OT, then it should carry over to him being a more mature person. Him saying that he coped with Ben being evil emo by back to being a smuggler just comes off as “My son became a gang banger and it was too hard so I just let go around continuing to do that,” that felt forced and an excuse just to see Han being a smuggler.

    I could kind of grasp Luke being absent if they have something that really makes sense in 8(I really hope they do).
     
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    The problem is you only have 2 hours to introduce a new set of characters that will dominate the ST and in the process re-introduce the OT characters.

    JJ just went with the ANH model of leaving a lot of backstory out. When Vader fights Kenobi in 1977 we have no idea of their whole backstory other then he killed Luke's dad and he was the learner (remember this was before Lucas changed the story of Vader being Luke's father). But we just went with that duel because there had to be some history with these 2.

    I get what you're saying about fleshing out the relationships in TFA, but a 3 hour SW movie would get too bogged down for Episode 7. JJ laid the pieces and now Johnson is going to make a 150 minute movie that really delves into these characters.
     
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    But In the case of a New Hope, that was a focused story with an arc. We knew what Obi-Wan’s relationship is to Vader and we knew what Obi-Wan meant to Luke and that was a two hour movie.
     
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    Lest we forget: from a certain point of view.

    We had no clue of those relationships at all. They were fleshed out in subsequent movies. We barely got a bare bones of their relationships. We had story arc....that's it. Yeah....there was a full movie because they weren't sure of a sequel but relationships were farn from fleshed out.

    JJ had a hell of a job. Superfans want stories told that are impossible to tell in 2 hour movie to the average fan. JJ did an excellent job injecting excitement into the franchise...he also cast an amazing cast. Daisy is a gem. Some people were upset their head cannon wasn't played for all the world to see.

    Listen to JJ, he is superintelligent. I am looking forward to seeing what he has in store for us.
     
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    In A New Hope, Han and Luke have an earned relationship. They don’t act like best buds, they act like strangers who just met. They only share a big hug after blowing up the death star and working together.

    Finn and Poe have an unearned relationship. Finn hangs out with Poe for five minutes and when he reunites with Poe, they act like they are best buds.
     
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    They act like two people who just met and had to go through an event where they both just died.
    Poe was tortured and was released by Finn....you seriously don't believe he wouldn't be extremely grateful?
    Finn helped bring bb-8 back....you don't think he would be grateful and say things like, "your a good man" after they meet up at the base thinking they would never cross paths again......

    It's nit picking such as that which makes the fan base look like fools.
     
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