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Poll: Who do you think is telling the truth about TFA story authorship, JJ or Lucas?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Hopsa Vialb, Nov 21, 2015.

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Who do you think is telling the truth about the TFA story.

  1. Lucas is telling the truth that they scrapped his story and made up their own.

    34 vote(s)
    42.5%
  2. JJ is telling the truth that the story is by George Lucas.

    21 vote(s)
    26.3%
  3. JJ is just referring to the OT when he says Lucas wrote the ST.

    28 vote(s)
    35.0%
  4. JJ was telling the truth when he said he and Kasdan made up their own story.

    32 vote(s)
    40.0%
  5. No story existed. Lucasfilm and Bob Iger lied about detailed treatments being completed before sale.

    3 vote(s)
    3.8%
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  1. Hopsa Vialb

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    Lucas has been very outspoken about how they did not want to use his story:
    “They decided they didn’t want to use those stories, they decided they were gonna go do their own thing,”

    JJ has contradicted this (previous to Lucas' recent statements) and said:
    “But the spirit of what he wrote, both in those pages and prior, is everything that this movie is built upon.” -- JJ Abrams

    These two statements are not compatible. Is JJ Abrams trying to honor Lucas by blowing hot air? Is Lucas lying about all this? Who do you believe?

    Edit: Multiple votes are now on and you can change your own vote at any time. Feel free to update your vote as more news is revealed.
     
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    Lucas said that he hasn't been involved in the making of TFA since he sold Lucasfilm and that he looks forward to being surprised on December 18. If he doesn't know anything more than we do, why should we trust him?
     
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    It's true. All of it.
     
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    JJ is right. George makes up so many stories you never know which one is true.
     
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    Multiple votes now activated. Please update your vote to include all answers you agree with.
    --- Double Post Merged, Nov 21, 2015, Original Post Date: Nov 21, 2015 ---
    He does know more than we do. He was there when they rejected his story, and they told him what they wanted to do. That's why he left.
     
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    I still believe that they used some of Lucas big picture ideas and just moved around the chess pieces.

    For example, Solo could have had a small role in Lucas version where he gets a major role in JJ/Kasdan's version.

    Supposedly Lucas version had Rey & Finn as Padme's age in Episode 1, where they are now closer to Luke/Leia's age from ANH.

    The irony is I think this is the best of both worlds for the fans. Lucas is a big ideas guy but his writing and directing skills are what hurt the PT. If TFA contains Lucas broad story, Kasdan's writing and JJ's directing, then its a good mix, IMO.
     
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    So if they're still using Lucas' broad story and Lucas only wrote a broad story, then what is everyone referring to when they all say they made up their own story?
     
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    I don't think the statements are incompatible. I think the basic premises are Lucas, but that they threw out his extended treatment and came up with a new story adapted to meet what JJ and KK wanted to do. There will be remnants of Lucas in there, but they will be subtle.
     
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    I turned on multiple votes for you so you can vote for both of them.
     
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    I guess I'll choose them all then. I don't think the truth of the situation falls in any of them exactly. I think its a more complicated situation than that.
     
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    I think they're using parts of Lucas broad story, but I think it came down to control and that is where the divorce happened.

    Lucas sold to Disney and probably still thought he could control the whole process. Disney probably liked some of his ideas but not all and Lucas was probably hurt that they didn't as they wanted throw out this part and that part but keep another part. But the thing is there was never a script from Lucas and that is why Disney essentially wrote their own new story using certain plot points from Lucas outlines.
     
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    I added another poll choice to reflect your opinion that no story was ever written.
     
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    I think both George and JJ are correct. George said they did not use his story and JJ never claimed they did. If you look at what JJ said, he said the movie was built upon the "spirit" of what George wrote. it does not say they used what George wrote. I think George had some very specific ideas of what he wanted to have happen and a lot of those were changed. However I think some of the broader ideas were used but the finer details of those are different. Even KK alluded that in one of her quotes. I don't have time to find the quote at this moment but it basically said they changed things just like things get changed in the process of any story.
     
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    You are simplifying and confusing some things. The break up was between Lucasfilm/Disney and Lucas, JJ wasn't involved at that time. A story wasn't set, back then. Yet Arndt got a writing credit, so much for "didn't use" Lucas outlines.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/05/star-wars-the-force-awakens-vanity-fair-cover

     
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    George is notorious for distancing himself from the work other people do on SW. Many of the EU writers had meetings with him about who they could and couldn't kill off, ideas and so. Later Lucas was quite clear that in many cases "they did it very differently than I would." So I think that there is some of that going on here.

    JJ I think is suggesting in many of his comments 2 things. The results of the OT and PT were well laid out and where the characters would go next was quite clear they all had a next step that was clear, Luke had to pass on what he learned, Leia had a republic to reform, Han well Han had to wrap his head around being attached to people outside himself.

    Further I think the spirit of what George said he wanted to do "Pass the baton to the next generation" and "look at the hard moral choices of creating a lasting peace." Are very much what the new trilogy will focus. Where there is divergence is in execution. They are telling a story differently.

    I think Lucas hit the nail on the head when he said "I wanted to tell a story they wanted to make a movie for fans."

    I still don't think Lucas is powerless, he is one of the largest holder in Disney stock. Further I think he will be the cavalry if the films don't do well.
     
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    I agree with you Rebo.

    George used outlines a lot like most writers do.
     
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    You should vote for the last option then. It's there for people who don't believe Bob Iger when he said they bought a detailed story treatment for the ST.
     
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    How was this off-topic to the person who chimed in with OFF-TOPIC?

    WE are talking about Lucas right?
     
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    I'm surprised that there is an agreement by fans that this is a story by Lucas, given what's been said. I guess Lucas could use this perception to his advantage if he wanted.
     
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