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SPECULATION Post-Trailer Plot Speculation

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by robotical712, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. robotical712

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    Fully updated prediction incorporating the trailer (with pictures!).

    This is based on my full background theory.


    Act I

    Space:

    The opening is tricky since TFA ended on a cliffhanger. Traditionally, all Star Wars movies open in space, but that can’t really be done for Ahch-To. With Finn still in a coma and Kylo en route to Snoke, it’s also unlikely to open with an attack on D’Qar. Given the tradition of opening with a Star Destroyer in the shot, the natural place to start is with Kylo going to Snoke. TLJ will likely follow tradition and pan down (or up) to a First Order Star Destroyer with Kylo’s shuttle emerging and going to Snoke’s Super Star Destroyer. There, gold-robed Snoke will chew him out for his failure on Starkiller and tell him they need to find Luke and Rey quickly. Snoke will order Kylo to join the attack on the Resistance at D’Qar and to bring the map to him. Upset with himself over his warring emotions, Kylo probably punches his helmet into a wall after moving away from Snoke.

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    Rage
    D’Qar:

    With Finn in a coma, he’s the perfect expy for reminding the audience of what happened in a movie many of them last saw two years ago. He also needs to be back on his feet so the rest of the movie’s action can happen. So, we’ll see Finn wake up, have a brief scene with Poe and get a quick recap of what happened and whats about to happen. Finn will naturally want to know about Rey, which nicely sets up the next scene. In the mean time, the rest of the Resistance is preparing to evacuate and many surviving ships from the New Republic have joined them. Admiral Holdo will appear and talk to Leia and then she and Poe will head to orbit.

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    Took you long enough; we’ve been standing here for two years!
    Ahch-To:

    Ahch-To opens as we last saw it in TFA, Rey extending the saber to Luke. Luke does go to and accepts the lightsaber in disbelief. He senses he knows her, but dismisses it as a delusion (1). Rey tells him she’s there on behalf of Leia and they need him. Shocking her, Luke hands back the lightsaber and tells her he can’t help and walks away. Despite Rey’s pleas and arguments, Luke shuts himself in a hut, telling her to leave.



    Frustrated and needing to regroup, Rey goes back to the Falcon. On her way, she notices a large sea creature menacing what appear to be a number of bird-like creatures and their nests. Feeling compelled to act, Rey intervenes and fends off the sea creature gaining the gratitude of the birds (Porgs). It turns out Luke has also witnessed her defense of the Porgs and she’s earned his grudging respect and curiosity. Luke tells her she can spend the night with him if she wants and he’ll try to explain, but she needs to leave afterwards. In the meantime, Chewie befriends the porgs.

    D’Qar:
    On D’Qar, the Resistance is frantically trying to leave before the First Order arrives. With their location known, the First Order is going to waste no time attempting to wipe out the only remaining organized opposition to their domination of the galaxy. Leia will tell Finn Maz has contacted her and knows somone who could help them. She asks Finn to meet with her on behalf of the Resistance, but Finn will initially turn it down, wanting to find Rey and get away from the conflict. While waiting for a ship, Finn will meet Rose who is in awe of him. Surprised by the attention and not wanting to disappoint her, Finn plays along claiming he’s going on a mission from Leia. The First Order will arrive and institutes a blockade while the Dreadnought moves into position to punch through the shield and destroy the base. Finn and Rose procure a transport, but are unable to leave while the blockade is in place.

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    Poe doing what Poe does best.
    Poe, meanwhile, rallies the Resistance starfighter and bomber corps and plans to punch a whole in the blockade. The starfighters engage the FO’s fighters and protects the bombers as they head towards one of the blockading destroyers. Poe attempts an attack on the Dreadnought, but fails to get through the shields. In desperation, they attack one of the escorts and managed to disable it. Resistance transports manage to get through the hole with heavy losses. Finn and Rose join the exodus, frantically evading TIEs on the way, but make it to hyperspace and head towards Canto Bight. While this is happening, Kylo will arrive (likely with friends) and infiltrate the base in search of the map. After he finds it and leaves, the FO dreadnought gets in position and annihilates the base.

    D’Qar:

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    Not again.


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    Forceback inbound!
    Desperate to convince Luke to come with her and teach her, Rey shows Luke what she can do. Her display of power terrifies Luke though, recognizing it as the power Ben had. Terrified of leading Rey down the same path, Luke tells her he can’t train her and when she persists, he shows her the events of Ben’s fall. The last part of the vision will be of the most painful event of Luke’s life – losing his daughter, Rey. In complete shock, Rey stumbles out of the cave and collapses The vision will also leave Rey thinking Kylo was the one to abandon her.

    Act II


    The first part of Act II will consist of the reunion of Rey with her father, Luke. It will be during this stage that Luke shows her what he’s learned about the Force and shows her the Force tree and the books. (2) It’s likely we’ll hear a bit about Rey’s mother as well. Happy, but also feeling scared and lost, Luke reaches out to his Jedi Masters for guidance. For, Rey it will seem like she’s getting everything she ever wanted and the goal of bringing Luke into the fight will appear within reach.

    Canto-Bight:
    (3) Rose and Finn arrive on Canto-Bight and set about finding where Maz is. First they try the Casino. Rose learns she’s at a local cafe, but Finn gets distracted by the excitement and manages to win big. Unfortunately, this insenses one of the players he has beaten who sends his henchmen after Finn. Rose and Finn make thier way to the racing stables and steal a horse. A chase ensues, but Rose manages to throw off the pursuit and they ride to the cafe where Maz is. Maz tells them a master slicer known as DJ might be willing to help the Resistance, but he’s currently held in the Canto-Bight jail. Rose and Finn manage to locate and break him out and he agrees to go with them. They reach DJ’s ship after shaking off Canto-Bight’s law enforcement.

    Resistance Fleet:

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    Mama’s Boy
    Resistance Fleet:

    After leaving D’Qar, Kylo attacks the fleeing Resistance fleet and devastates it, destroying Poe’s X-Wing in the process. As he prepares to fire on the bridge of the Raddus, Kylo senses his mother aboard. He struggles with himself to pull the trigger, but is unable to bring himself to and he leaves the rest of the Resistance fleet behind and heads for Ahch-To. Poe, Leia and Admiral Holdo discuss what to do next and their discussion gets increasingly heated. The admiral will likely favor a last-ditch attack on the FO, while Leia and Poe will argue for finding a place to consolidate and continue the fight.

    Midpoint

    Ahch-To:

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    Forgot the swimming lessons.
    Kylo arrives, but is shot down and crash-lands. Luke tells Rey not to fight Kylo, but Rey is overcome by intense anger from what she thinks her cousin did to her and confident from her previous vision attacks him anyway. Kylo has his henchmen attack Luke, who easily dispatches them without a lightsaber. In the mean time Kylo and Rey spar and she accuses him of taking her from her from Luke. Kylo tells her he didn’t abandon her, he tried to save her and Luke was the one who abandoned her. This wrecks Rey’s concentration and Kylo manages to force her over a cliff and then runs. Luke is forced to rescue Rey and let him get away. As she climbs out of the water, she sees a forlorn Luke looking at her.

    Canto-Bight:
    Rose contacts the resistance and learns they’re heading to Crait. Somehow the FO has learned of their location and Finn and Rose realize the Dreadnought has to be disabled. DJ says he can disable the ship’s main weapons, but needs them to get him a link inside the ship. the two make it aboard the ship and make their way to fire control. They’re able to give DJ the link he needs and he sabotages the weapon. On their way out, they’re discovered. In a running fight, they make it to a hanger bay and wreck many of the ships there.

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    You raped her, you murdered her, you killed her chil… Wait, wrong franchise.
    It looks like they’ll get away, but Phasma and a contingent of stormtroopers enter and engage them. Although they’re able to dispatch the stormtroopers with quick thinking, Phasma engages Finn in one on one melee combat. Phasma will probably gain the upper hand at some point, but forget about Rose, who distracts her long enough for Finn to recover. Finn takes off her arm and likely kills her.

    Resistance Fleet:
    The dispute between Poe, Leia and Holdo has come to a head and Holdo has Leia removed from the bridge (possibly imprisoned or confined to quarters). Realizing he needs to act now, Poe gathers loyal Resistance members and stages a mutiny, seizing the bridge. He has Leia released and leads the fleet to Crait.

    Ahch-To:

    In a second Forceback, Rey experiences Kylo’s memories in ascending chronological order. During it, she sees things from Kylo’s perspective, including the effects of her disappearance. She also sees one of her own memories – Luke leaving her on a desert planet. Crucially, she (and we) can’t tell which desert planet, but she assumes it’s Jakku. At the end of the vision, she sees her father in a very different light and it devastates her (3). Luke returns and she accuses him of abandoning her and the rest of his family. Unleashing years of grief and frustration, Luke loses control for a moment as he emotionally denies it and unleashes a massive display of the Force, wrecking the hut they’re in. Rey and Kylo are unharmed, but Rey is now terrified as well. Deciding her family wasn’t worth the fourteen years she spent waiting, she decides her real place is with her friends. Abandoning her family, as she believes they once abandoned her, she boards the Falcon and leaves her father and cousin behind. Overcome by emotion himself, Luke doesn’t try to stop her. Luke warns Kylo things aren’t what he thinks. Kylo has a chance to kill Luke, who’s too overcome by grief to defend himself, but can’t bring himself to do it. Kylo takes his dead companions’ shuttle and leaves Luke alone and stranded once again.

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    I hate water nearly as much as I hate sand.
    Act 3:
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    A sister’s burden
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    Mommy, I’m home!








    Crait:
    Rey learns the Resistance is on Crait and heads there before the FO fleet arrives. She tells Leia bitterly that Luke isn’t coming. Leia, sensing her niece’s distress, immediately leaves for Ahch-To herself. The only ship that could make it out of the blockade is the Falcon and she enlists Chewie’s help. FO fighters pursue them, but Chewie manages to lose them in the caves and heads to orbit and Ahch-To.

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    Flight of the Porg
    Finn and Rose also escape the Dreadnought and head to Crait. The Dreadnought attempts to fire, but it misfires, wrecking the ship. The FO is forced to deploy ground forces. Severely outnumbered and outgunned, the Resistance sends its forces to meet the FO, using the bombers to create a screen from the dust. The battle begins and Rey assists in bringing down several walkers before sensing Kylo is in the Resistance base and going to find him.

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    Hoth, with air support.
    Climax

    On Ahch-To, Leia lands and finds a thoroughly dispirited Luke. During a brief conversation, Leia reminds him that she lost her son to the dark side, but he hasn’t lost Rey yet and still has a chance with her.

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    I will show you the world…
    The Resistance is putting up a brave, but futile fight. The FO’s firepower is overwhelming and they’re steadily pushed back or destroyed. Kylo engages her, but merely defends himself while offering to show Rey who she is. Despairing, Rey offers herself in return for the lives of her friends. Kylo agrees and orders the attack stopped. Kylo offers his hand, which Rey takes and brings Rey to a shuttle as Finn and Poe watch, stunned. As their shuttle lifts off, Hux, at Snoke’s urging orders the ground attack to resume, dismaying Kylo and panicking Rey. She calms however as she senses a powerful and familiar presence nearby.

    As the FO presses its attack, a figure appears on the horizon. Figuring one person isn’t a threat, the FO troops ignore him until one of their walkers is impossibly picked up and thrown into another. The FO turns all of it’s weapons on the lone figure and begin firing. The figure, Luke, uses the Force to block and divert everything thrown at him as he methodically wrecks the FO forces without ever igniting his lightsaber. In the aftermath, the mood is somber. Luke turned the tide of the battle, but the Resistance’s losses are massive and the loss of Rey is a bitter blow. Content with his prize, Snoke withdraws and welcomes Rey with a demonstration of his power as Kylo brings her before him.

    The movie ends with Luke with Leia both looking out of a ships window in a callback to ESB, determined looks on their faces.

    Notes:
    1: I think Luke’s initial inability to sense who she or dismissal of it is will be used to signal just how clouded his mind has become. He’s become unable to hear or believe what the Force is telling him.

    2: My initial instinct was to place these before the Force vision, but Luke watching Rey and teaching her about what he’s learned about the Force is inconsistent with the despairing mood he apparently has in the beginning. It would also delay getting to the heart of the movie, which is Luke and Rey reuniting. Therefore, it makes more sense to expect it after the first Forceback.

    3: If this seems to be throwing Luke under a bus, remember the characters are only acting based on their perceptions and what they know. Whether Luke is actually guilty of anything doesn’t matter; what matters is that Rey and Kylo think he is. IX will be where Rey (and we) get the full story.

    Omissions:
    1: Visiting the temple and what Luke learned there. Really not sure where this will go.

    2: DJ’s fate after Rose and Finn infiltrate the Dreadnought.

    3: Rose in Act 3.

    Originally posted on the Star Wars Shadow Council weblog.
     
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  2. robotical712

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    For those curious, this is the fourth version of the plot outline I put together in July. The original can be found here.

    I'm pleased the trailer confirmed several plot points I've had since that draft.
     
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    Some good ideas based on logic and reasoned thinking and very well researched. Well done.

    However I think your going to end up way off the mark. IMO I think the trailer is very misleading and most of your ideas are based on what we already know. If we could predict TLJ with the level of accuracy you have attempted Disney should be ashamed.

    I don't think its going to be that predictable. If that's what your expecting I'd brace yourself for a rather large shock. Disney has very cleverly guided us down a certain road leaving us with very similar questions unanswered. In typical star wars tropes as well I might add. We've been here before.

    Rey's parentage - we expect this to be a big deal because of the secrecy surrounding her and obviously based on previous experience.

    Who is snoke? - again this was the same with the emperor before the PT.

    Deus ex machina - so far had Yoda, qui gon, obi wan and sidious. Hopefully there won't be another so 1 dimensional and transparent this time.

    What I'm saying is that after the amount of fan service paid so far I wouldn't expect more of the same. I think our pre conceptions of what will happen have been deliberately shaped so when the unthinkable happens and they drop the star wars world on its head we'll all sit in the movie theatre and go 'what the f**k just happened'.

    And I'm sorry but if its any less dramatic than that I will be severely disappointed.
     
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    This is the fourth draft of my prediction; the first was in July. I didn't shape much of this around the trailer, rather the trailer lined up with my prior drafts:

    July 24 – Version 1.0

    Aug. 11 – Version 2.0

    Oct. 3 – Version 3.0
     
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    Is it me or you didn't touched Snoke at all? Sorry if its somewhere.

    Otherwise good read.
     
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    I'm going off of what Rian said - TLJ doesn't get into Snoke's background much. This outline is also focused more on plotting out the movie than predicting exposition (that's covered in my background theory) .
     
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    I wasn't meant to claim your theory was based on the trailer sorry if it came across like that. I meant that your theory is based around what we already know and what we are supposed to expect will happen by sticking to typical star wars tropes. Which is heavily used in the trailer and in TFA. I however believe/hope we will get the complete opposite.

    If Disney are planning to make a second trilogy (which after spending £4bn buying the rights you would expect) they are going to have to diversify and make the story bigger now or we are just gonna get another 5 films which are more of the same. It will hardly be ground breaking if every plot device and twist can be preempted by analysing the source material.

    Star wars has a very loyal and furiously passionate fan base who worship the original ideas which made it such a phenomenon in the 70's and 80's. However that was also the last time we had anything new. The PT and R1 were stories we all already knew except for a few minor details. And TFA as much as I enjoyed it was mostly a re make/reboot of ANH and was ultimately more fan service than anything else. Which is fine.

    But now is the time to introduce a new element to the story. Go beyond the Skywalker's, introduce the origins of the Force, extrapolate on the sith/Jedi dichotomy. Everyone is gripped again the die hard fans are back on board. Now give us something new that we aren't expecting. Like I said before I will be very disappointed if I have been able to predict or read someone elses prediction about what direction TLJ and 9 will go in.
     
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    Yeah.. I would watch that.. :D But I hope you're wrong so I can be surprised.
    And I am now gonna be obsessed with the picture of Luke casually throwing walkers around..
     
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    I posted my final plot prediction in mid-November, but forgot to provide it here.

    Final Plot Prediction
     
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