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Power of Foreshadowing - RJ's way of storytelling

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by NinjaRen, Jan 20, 2019.

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Did you like the foreshadowings in TLJ?

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  1. NinjaRen

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    The PT has one of my most favorite fareshadowing scenes in the whole saga:

    Anakin's shadow = Darth Vader's shadow:
    there-are-some-symbolic-shadows-in-the-prequels-of-anakin-as-darth-vader-photo-u1.jpg

    The funny thing is, this was not intentional. George Lucas noticed it during filming and used the lucky coincidence in the final cut of the movie.
     
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    The landing was perhaps more of a crash... a Jedi can lift a ship, but can he repair it when it is damaged? i'm not sure.
     
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    If it were a crash, he wouldn't stay. Plus, the ship looked intact. Also, he fixed his ship in Dagobah. That was submerged in the mud.
     
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    ... unless the crash was premeditated : we have been said Luke decided to retire. Is there a better way to retire than destroying the only way to go back ?


    Don't forget on Dagobah he was assisted by Artoo who is a confirmed astromech and has the required tools and knowledge. Does Luke know every part of the X Wing so he can repair it alone on a desert rocky planet? I'm not sure... :)
     
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    I imagine that all pilots have to know how to fix their ships. Hell, even Kaz has some idea on how to fix 'em.
     
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    Great thread, you two!

    I think RJ is grossly underestimated by a lot of "so-called" "Star Wars-fans"!
    I have loved TLJ from my first viewing in the cinema! (Talking about viewing SW in the cinema, I'm planning on watching EpIX in the theater as well! :cool:)

    You are wise my friend, the shortsightedness and narrowmindedness of some who claim to be fans, never seizes to amaze me! The Dark Side does cloud everything indeed!

    Exactly! The LOTR and BTTF-trilogy both also have a lot of foreshadowing!

    Star Wars movies are like onions, everytime you peel off a layer, you'll find more layers.

    Precisely! In his hubris he already fashioned himself as the most powerfull Force-user in the Galaxy. Only then he realized just how much more powerfull Luke was...

    Luke... perhaps the best pilot in the Galaxy of his time? (after his father and before Poe) Crashed?
    No, I personally think he deliberately dumped (yes, I said dumped) his X-Wing in the ocean, because he did not intend to use it again and to keep himself from the temptation. Also a deactivated ship, submerged in water, seems harder to track!

    If it foreshadowed anything, it indicated something big was going to happen... Something we hadn't seen before from him, something that would truly show his immense Force-wielding-powers! When he didn't join the Falcon (with or without his [t]rusty X-Wing), I sensed he wouldn't be leaving! He could never get there in time, in person.

    Oh and Luke was already shown (in EpIV) to be a skilled mechanic/tinkerer, like his father...

    I don't think it was that much of a stretch, with all the sabotage and the fact that nothing like that had ever been done before! Building something that big and that powerfull takes time!
    It also wouldn't surprise me they had already started plans on DS2! (death star)

    Yup! A damn shame really. Yet still they think they can make any judgements about them and spew their bile!

    Hmmm... I wonder if that was entirely true...

    [​IMG]

    Speaking of foreshadowing in Star Wars movies... ;)
     
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  7. Trevor

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    Congratulations @NinjaRen, the staff and moderators have voted this to be Thread of the Week!
     
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  8. NinjaRen

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    Thanks! Is it possible to honor @RockyRoadHux too? This thread was a team effort, so she should get a "Featured Rating" too.


    Someone created this poster for IX:
    l2ci8894y0d21.jpg

    I would like something like this for the making of IX.
     
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    Here's an interesting instance of foreshadowing in TLJ...in my opinion!

    Here is what happens before the first "ForceSkype" session between Ben and Rey in TLJ. Note the peculiar shape of the light.

    yin yang 2.jpg

    yin yang 1.jpg

    To me the shapes look very much like the "sides" of the yin-yang symbol, indicating that Rey and Ben are the balance of the Force. We get a brief taste of that in the throne room fight when the Force theme plays very strongly and the two join up--just for a short time--for a common purpose that the Force approves of.

    that throne room moment.png


    Or you can look at the light shapes as a foreshadowing of the Prime Jedi symbol in the cave at the pinnacle of the island:

    Prime_Jedi.jpg

    Either way, not an accident.;)
     
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    Woah that's cool so! : D like @NinjaRen already mentioned we wrote the thread together, so if it is not a too big of a request...
     
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    As much as I'd like to divide the credit between you two, when a thread is featured, the credit goes to whomever posted it...it's a software thing, and I can't co-byline it.

    Sorry folks.
     
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    Ah okay, I understand.

    JXIr.gif

    ...That's not me loooking sad
     
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    we will all know Rocky !

    grats to @NinjaRen & @RockyRoadHux for thread of the week.. it's brilliant ! <3
     
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    That's beautiful.
     
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    Maybe submit a request to XenForo for a 'gestalt entity' feature!
     
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    I have been in many a discussion with people do didnt like TLJ, although all of them online. Couple comments about this.
    1. I find many that have only watched the film once or twice. Hard for them to notice all the nuance and foreshadowing.
    2. The difference I find is that people like me who love Star Wars and TLJ feel sad for people who didnt like TLJ. While at the same time often the people who dislike TLJ are mad at me for liking it. I dont attack them, they attack me.

    Also I find it odd that I still have yet to meet one person in the real world who hates TLJ.
     
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    :) 1F312F1D-9C46-4ACC-A92A-E2587A45CB45.jpeg This thread is amazing ! Mind blowing stuff . Thanks for coming up with this @NinjaRen and @RockyRoadHux Star Wars is indeed a work of art . Like poetry it follows a “rhyming “ scheme of sorts in its structure . All the references to foreshadowing and returning to the beginning again and again in the above posts reminded me of ring theory as this plays a part in foreshadowing . Am not going to go into detail regarding ring theory ( because it would take pages and pages ) but there are several essays written on it . Brief outline is here :
    https://nerdist.com/star-wars-ring-theory-offers-a-whole-new-way-to-view-the-prequels/

    It doesn’t just apply to the prequels but the whole saga .
    ( see the image above for the basic structure of ring theory at the beginning of my post ) .

    Anyway if we take this idea into account tying it into the foreshadowing and why things go back to the beginning again and again ( like a ring or circle )it ties into the force too - the idea of life itself foreshadowing or going back to the beginning over and over . These are some poetic quotes from Guardians of the whills book by Greg Rucka :

    “So it is in all things I wish to prepare the way , for those who shall come after . And I remind myself in the force there is no end but only beginnings “.

    And :
    “ In darkness I follow the light and find my way to the beginning again , and again and again”.
    From
    Collected poems, prayers and meditations on the force by kozem
    Pel , Disciple of the Whills.

    And it’s not just in the films but in the entire saga- lots of foreshadowing in Rebels for instance ( kanan and the wolves ). Even the world between worlds with its mirror like circle portals into time and circular as well as linear paths highlight how certain events repeat themselves over and over in time . It all goes back to the beginning and starts again - foreshadowing acts like a ripple in the force ( and time ) that sets out events in motion and determining that they play out again and again but in different ways . This is how I think Episode 9 is gonna connect to the whole saga through this idea of foreshadowing and events repeating ( in different ways ) themselves over and over but with different outcome . If episode IX really is the end of the skywalker saga it will complete the circle but hopefully course correct whatever it is that has gone wrong along the way that has led to where we are by episode IX.

    ( sorry if I went off on a tangent and this doesn’t all make sense - am not always good at collating all ideas together into something cohesive . Am a newbie here so I’ll get the hang of it eventually lol! ):D(ahsoka)
     
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    I can't help but wonder whether dead Yoda using the force is some kind of foreshadowing about what's to come in IX. Otherwise I fail to see what purpose that moment serves beyond being a cool effect.

    A tree shaped like the rebellion sign burning is cool, but I can't help thinking there's more to be revealed on that thread.
     
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    It served to teach Luke a lesson. I don't think it has to serve some further purpose. We really don't know that much about what force ghosts can do, but Yoda being able to call down lightning to burn a tree fits more into Obi-Wan's promise to Vader that he would "become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" than what we've seen in the past.
     
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    But Yoda taught him that lesson with his speech after he burned down the tree, that those books held no relevant knowledge. Rey already has what she needs. That could have been said without the big effect.

    And now we know a little bit more about what force ghosts can do. I can't help but think there's a reason they pulled on that thread. Everything RJ did for TLJ was very deliberate.
     
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