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Predicting Rogue One's negative criticism

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Ammianus Marcellinus, Aug 8, 2016.

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Which negative criticism is Rogue One most likely to receive?

  1. Political Correctness (PC): i.e. in a year of elections everything that is slightly left or liberal

  2. Sexist critique: "mary sue", forced feminism, any critique centred on the gender of the female lead

  3. Racial critique: "white people are bad guys", "this or that actor is an affront to his ethnicity"

  4. Genre critique: "this Star Wars is exactly the same as episode ../ or this particular war movie"

  5. Feeling: "I liked some parts of it, but it just doesn't feel like Star Wars"

  6. Comparison: "I'd rather watch/ I liked this movie better"

  7. Line delivery and acting performance: "this line wasn't very good" - the critic says

  8. Plot staples: "the story doesn't make sense"/ "the plot is convoluted"

  9. Cinematography: "I don't like shaky cams"

  10. Other

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  1. Ralok-one

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    Wow... is it really that hard to understand why you dont see U-wings or Tie Strikers in later films??? Is the sheer utter size of the galaxy and its millions upon millions of habitable star systems really that far outside fo so many peoples understanding???

    Tie Strikers probably were only produced in that sector of the empire, some of the unique trooper types were probably only trained in those sectors... maybe even only on specific planets...

    try to understand this... but... planets.... are biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig!!!!

    I know that is difficult to understand, especially when all things consiered you probably will never leave the one you are standing on right now - _ -

    As for U-wings, you realize that the Rebel Alliance is a hodge-podge fleet of whatever they can scrounge right? How is this not clear, youguys ask weird questions like "why werent they at hoth" i dont know... why werent there any y-wings at hoth? or corellian corvettes?

    because that base didnt have an...
     
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    While I don't like shaky cams, I will have to say the biggest criticism I expect is that it's not a Star Wars movie. People have come to expect Jedi, lightsabers, lots of aliens, etc. The trailers we've seen so far don't have much, if any, of this. It may be a great movie, but I can't see it holding any records at the box office (at least not for long). As far as the female role, personally when I saw the first trailer at the theater, I instantly though of the Divergent series and The Hunger Games. I like both series, but I almost felt like Disney is just trying to grab that niche of the market. Get a young girl from humble beginnings who will make a big difference and sell tickets. With all my own reservations, I'm still looking forward to it and will hit the theater like I have since 1977.
     
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    My answer was based on what criticism SW fans are going to make and not film critics. I went with people sayin it does not feel like SW. It will be the old catch 22. People complain that TFA is too much like a new hope. Rogue One appears that it is going to be unlike any other SW movie. There will definitely be a group who will then complain that it does not feel like SW
     
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    "I liked some parts of it, but it just doesn't feel like Star Wars"

    This was my vote, and I feel like this is going to be both a criticism and a praise. And I think that's ultimately a good thing. Much like the (mostly) negative reaction to the prequels sparked the "The SW movies need to get back to their roots, practical effects and real sets!" rally, which TFA did and did very well, but then that rally turned into "They are just rehashing the original trilogy!" People got what they asked for but still can't be satisfied.

    Personally, I have loved every single SW film with few (if any) complaints. And while Rogue One is going to be great because it will be a type of film we haven't yet seen in the SW franchise, many will think it's not that great because it's so different from the others in the SW franchise. It's just the nature of the beast.

    --- Double Post Merged, Aug 10, 2016, Original Post Date: Aug 10, 2016 ---
    Hahaha aw blast it, I didn't see your post until just after I posted mine... I think we are in agreeance @Jedi MD ;) great minds think alike!
     
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    I see your point but I agree with the historian.

    In regards to your point that 'these ships are better than the crappy regular ships', I'd like to point out two things:
    A) A Porsche 911 is clearly better than a Ford Fiesta... why doesn't everyone have a Porsche 911!? Because people can't afford it and it's a specialist kind of car - but this doesn't mean they do not exist
    B) You are assuming that Rogue One will not answer these questions about the troopers and vehicles.

    Furthermore, you say "imagine how different the Battle of Hoth would have gone if U-Wings were used"... well... You can pretty much say that about any military battle in history (within context). For example: imagine how different the Battle of Berlin would have been if every German soldier had a Panzerschreck (WWII German Rocket Launcher).... well some soldiers did have this but not all of them.

    I can go on and on with examples but you get the idea.

    I believe the SW Storygroup is making the right decisions so far - but I'm not going to have a full decision until I actually see Rogue One.
     
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    I voted "other" because I feel the reshoots and too many cooks and too much noise from the higher ups will be too much to ignore. I'm actually a little afraid we are going to get a Fan4stic/Suicide Squad film and reaction... :( BOY, I hope I'm wrong!
     
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    Completely disagree. Just because a ship can fly in space, it doesn't mean it always should. Tie Fighters are by far supreme because they can be flown anywhere. They are effective anywhere. Thus the ship is Imperial Standard. Example: Sniper Rifles are amazing for long distance, accurate warfare... sure you could use it close up and do some damage on a ground battle, but would you use that over a automatic machine gun? Hell no.

    You do know that Disney does not have much power over Star Wars as it stands right?

    Pablo Hidalgo is the head of the SW Story Group and he's been there for years... before Disney bought Lucasfilm. If anything, since Disney's takeover and the injected investment into Lucasfilm the Canon material has been superior to the messy Expanded Universe. The SW Marvel Comic series is Canon and it totally fits in and makes sense with the whole Star Wars saga.
     
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    Yes they do @DarthSnow
     
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    the cgi of some the spaceships are prequel esque aka. not perfected.

    on the other hand, the at-at effects look absolutely great(at-at)(emperor)
     
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    I really don't understand the dislike someone just gave you. I can only agree with you on one particular point. SW Rebels is a show which continuously distorts continuity for no other reason than screen time filling. The fact they introduce a-wings and b-wings even though these clearly weren't around in A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back is indeed a strange continuity error. Unexplicable. Though, I never really liked Rebels in the first place. :)
     
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    My good friend, while you disagree on my points regarding the Tie Fighter, at the same time without you knowing you seem to agree with my point of view. You can't have said it better yourself: Tie Fighters are by far supreme because they can be flown anywhere. They are effective anywhere. So what is the point of making a advanced craft that is limited to a certain environment when the old crappy ship is better in every way? Thus the Tie Striker is unnecessary and was just made for eye candy and nothing more.
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    Dude I respect your comments and while I don't agree with some of your points of views I'm not blasting your posts with negative quotes. Can't you have a conversation like an adult without resorting to that?
     
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    .... Amanaman... you seem to not have a good concept of how these things even work in real life.

    Here.... take a look at this...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_military_aircraft

    That is a single country on this planet, there is roughly 195 countries on this planet.

    The empire is composed of (conservative estimate) thousands... and thousands... and thousands... .and thoooooooousands of planets.

    There is a multitude of reasons why any craft could be produced and utilized only in certain places, it could have to do with resources, regional needs, or simple vanity on the behalf of the regional governors.
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    It isnt a continuity error, they did not "pop" into existence like magical fairies the minute Return of the Jedi began.

    And the reason they werent present in A New Hope is... .so blindlingly obvious that I feel stupid explaining it again and again.

    They didnt have any at that base.

    Imagine you are positioned at a military base in the middle of nowhere, and you asked your commanding officer "why dont we just use an f-22 to take out the enemy base"
    his resposne would most likely be "we dont have one"
    and if you said back "but our military has them"
    you would sound like an idiot... probably because you are an idiot if you think that way.

    A military force having certain craft does not mean that they have access to all of the craft at all time. They didnt have Y-wings at Echo base now did they? Nor did they have any Corellian Corvettes.

    you guys seem to think that they are operating under Star Wars Empire at War rules...
     
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    Well, I like your explanation of my one gripe to SW rebels. But you don't have to name people idiots to make your point. That's not very polite. :p
     
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    My good friend, it's funny that you say that ''you seem to not have a good concept of how these things even work in real life'' but leaving that comment aside and not taking it as personal, let's deal with your comment. Sure, countries all think in different ways and they each have their own tech but sadly we are not talking about different countries in SW but the Empire as a whole. Yes, I can agree that there are going to be many things that can be built by the Empire branch in planet A that may not be known by the Empire branch in planet X because this is very far away or because the planet is way different. It's logical that if the Empire has a base in Mon Calamary which is a water planet, all their tech, gear and troopers are going to be different from those posted on a desert planet like Jakku or Tatooine. But the problem here my friend is that this is not the case as we are talking about a prequel. If both Tarkin and Vader are involved in Rogue One then they both know of the tech involved there. Vader being a pilot himself and the very person who invented the Tie Interceptor prototype would have been up to date on a ship like the Tie Striker and he would have seen it as something useful to use in the Empire vs Rebelion conflict. The Empire was always up to date with their tech and they constantly upgraded and used said tech in their battles and this was seen in the movies.

    The AT-TE that was used in the prequels evolved into the AT-AT and we saw it used on both Hoth and in Endor. The AT-RT evolved into the AT-ST Scout Walker and we saw it in use in both planets as well. The Tie Bomber was also used in TESB and during the Death Star battle in ROTJ and we saw the Empire use Tie Fighters and Tie Interceptors as well as the Emperor knew fully well that this was the decisive battle meant to crush the Rebelion so he tossed everything he had at the Rebels. Vader being right there with Sheev would have known about ships like the Tie Striker and would have seen their use in that battle and all he had to do was call over to whoever it was had said ships and all they had to do was mount them on a Star Destroyer and light speed their way to where Vader was.

    That fans want to defend everything new they see in a SW movie? Sure! They can go ahead and knock their socks off but that doesn't mean that everyone will swallow it with a smile. It is also really funny when I see people blindly defending the new movies but they bashed the prequels because of most of the same things they are now defending. How many people argued and hated R2-D2s rockets? The reason being that it made no sense that if R2 had those rockets that were so useful, why would he just loose them in the OT. Now we have the new movies do exactly the same thing with their version of a prequel and fans go nuts and argue with anyone who thinks IN THE VERY SAME WAY that they did when they argued about the Prequels.

    You have any idea how many fans argued that TPM sucked because it imitated ANH and now those very fans are the ones that love TFA which is a carbon copy of ANH?
     
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    For the record, Disney holds the ultimate power over Lucasfilm, LTD. but chooses to let the company run itself since it's already doing a great job .
     
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    Why are we making replacements to the A-10 that are faster, and more advanced when all of our pilots and military personnel clearly state that the A-10 is the best at what it does? Same with the F-15. They're all competing against themselves until China or Russia actually put a plane into production that can consistently beat the F-15. Hell, we replaced the F-14 and that plane would still kick serious ass out there. Throughout WWII we tested multitudes of combat aircraft that ultimately never made it into mass production. You're creating a logical trap for yourself regarding this.

    As far as the 'shoretroopers'. You admit it was a recon variant....so...there's no other logic to be applied, but I'll play along. Why do the modern version of Army Rangers exist? Originally for the sole purpose of climbing a cliff at Normandy. Why didn't we use Marines? I don't know. We used the Army and a small offshoot that eventually became its own mini-branch of the Army specializing in light infantry tactics. Again, you're creating your own logic trap here by applying strict logic to a universe that, like you said, had Artoo Detoo fly retroactively.

    Speaking of Artoo, BB-8 is smaller, just like our phones - therefore a smaller target to hit when he's riding shotgun. Again, simple real world logical answers to this supposed continuity error. And how many times are they marketing new phone after new phone that do the same thing? All the damn time. You're basically asking why they made an iPod Touch when the regular iPods did the same thing except for the simplest difference. Well, ask the people making the machines, which....are fictional people. BB-8 also appeared to be more mobile than thruster-less Artoo - he navigated the stairs at Maz's place better than Artoo would have and if anybody has the Sphero toy - man that thing can move. We also don't know the processing capacity of BB-8 versus Artoo, so now we're just speculating completely thereby creating a frustration that doesn't really exist in the first place (which is my major gripe with SW fans in general - granted, the PT created major gripes, as you stated with the Clones being decommissioned and Artoo's ridiculous thrusters....stop....I just thought about that factory scene in AOTC....oh lord).
     
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    Visually it looks more the Jedi Starfighters from ROTS, so I'm not sure why they aren't using the design as a prototype for the classic TIE fighters.
     
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    I have a good feeling that Rogue One will be much better than any PT movie....duhh...easy task...hahaha
     
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    Your post speaks against itself my friend. You talk to me about how technology advances and the convenience use of said things while you seem to miss my points entirely. Here's some of your words: ''Why are we making replacements to the A-10 that are faster, and more advanced when all of our pilots and military personnel clearly state that the A-10 is the best at what it does?'' Now let's analize this Star Warswise and not ''real lifewise'' as you try to do. Does the Empire look like they made crap just for the fun of it? Is it shown in any SW movie that this was ever the case? Let's just talk OT my friend. Starting with ANH, the Rebelion had two types of starfighters which were the old modeled Y-Wing and the newer X-Wing while the Empire only had Tie Fighters. As the movies went on, both groups made more advanced ships and USED them. While the Empire was dealt a defeat by the Rebelion they knew they needed better craft so while they indeed already had the Tie Bomber, they made a stronger faster ship to counter the rebels. The Rebelion did the same thing as they had to stay one step ahead of the Empire and they bought in two new ships which were the B-Wing and the A-Wing. Every single ship was used in the culminating battle of ROTJ and everyone used all it had and gave it it's all. This is what we saw in the movies and these were the facts. There was no EU for us to grab onto to say that the Empire had this or that somewhere else or that things would have been different if Thrawn were there and whatnot. The Rebels put out everything they had and the Empire did the same and there was nothing more. Now, since many fans don't care about this as long as they get a new SW movie, many of you try to defend these things with your logic but storywise it saddly makes no sense. Fans WANT to see new ships and new troopers and even if they give us a blind chinese guy who's way better than a Jedi or a Sith, you guys like it and defend it and that's cool with me but the fact is that for those of us who grew up with the OT before there was even an EU, these things are a slap in the face and they are just eye candy and nothing more and many people dig it.

    Look at your point about giving people crappy new airplanes while the old ones were better. Has this ever been seen in SW? The SW galaxy was always in advance and when people like Han were very attached to their old craft they had to constantly modify it (sometime illegally) for those craft to be up to speed. Astromech droids were made to be better than the earlier models and not just reduced in size like a cell phone just to look cute. Reguarding BB-8 being faster going down the steps you have to look at it once more since clearly he is almost just as slow as R2.
    Look at BB-8 dealing with stairs:


    And now look at R2:
     
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