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Predicting Rogue One's negative criticism

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Ammianus Marcellinus, Aug 8, 2016.

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Which negative criticism is Rogue One most likely to receive?

  1. Political Correctness (PC): i.e. in a year of elections everything that is slightly left or liberal

  2. Sexist critique: "mary sue", forced feminism, any critique centred on the gender of the female lead

  3. Racial critique: "white people are bad guys", "this or that actor is an affront to his ethnicity"

  4. Genre critique: "this Star Wars is exactly the same as episode ../ or this particular war movie"

  5. Feeling: "I liked some parts of it, but it just doesn't feel like Star Wars"

  6. Comparison: "I'd rather watch/ I liked this movie better"

  7. Line delivery and acting performance: "this line wasn't very good" - the critic says

  8. Plot staples: "the story doesn't make sense"/ "the plot is convoluted"

  9. Cinematography: "I don't like shaky cams"

  10. Other

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  1. Ammianus Marcellinus

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    I'm also going to collect the most common and ridiculous ones when the movie is out for a month or so, and then ask: "Which one annoyed you the most?"
     
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    I hope multiple responses will be allowed for that one!
     
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    A plethora of choice. I'd advice you to go the trailer Cantina response thread. You can pick them out right there already :p
     
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    There will be a lot to choose from in the Cantina and if you pour over the internet you may not have enough room to put them all.
     
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    I you want to have a look at the possible future criticism, have a look at the IMDB message boards of Rogue One. Its like the dumpster of the internet...
     
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    I predict that the movie will be criticized both for being too female-heavy ("OMG, there's a female lead, this feminazi propaganda has to stop!") AND too female-light ("OMG, why can't all the main cast be all female, it's 2016 s#$*lords, we need to hurry up with the patriarchy-busting!").
     
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    That's what my dad said.

    Despite the general mood after this trailer, I continue to be much more intrigued by Rey's and Luke's story. So, my hype for Ep.8 didn't change at all. I wish they had adopted the same Hobbit's kind of production: 3 movies, one a year, and THEN the spin-offs.
     
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    the most common ones.
     
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    Here in Italy, the official SW Facebook page is full of every kind of critic. Surprisingly, we are much more open than american fans to female leads, but the most quoted critic is: "ANOTHER DEATH STAR? THEY RUINED STAR WARS BY GIVING US ALWAYS THE SAME S**T! BOOOH DISNEY! BRING US BACK GEORGE LUCAS! BOOOOH!"

    This is how the fandom looks like in 2016 :)
     
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    but is SS really a box office success?

    yes, it had a killer opening weekend, but that's due to advanced sales (sight unseen).
    now that people have seen it, what do the numbers really look like?
    friday's estimate is $13 million, down 80% from last week. those aren't good box office numbers for a "blockbuster" in its second week.
    as a comparison, TFA's second weekend draw was $49 million (down 58%).
    obviously the two are very different in terms of hype, audience, etc., but objectively, SS is going to make about $300-$350 million, which is not profitable.
    BvS similarly came out of the gate big, but fell hard and barely covered its own costs.

    i agree that people need to be discerning about what critics are saying.
    social media has made everybody a critic, but not all critics are idiots or have agendas and i think too much is made of this idea of "bandwagoning"
    sometimes movies just aren't good and need to be called out for it.

    full disclosure, i saw BvS and feel that it deserved every bit of flak it got.
    i have yet to see SS because i have no confidence in WB/DC right now to entertain me. i'll see it eventually when the dust clears.
    i do skim the reviews, but i also rely on the word-of-mouth of my friends.
     
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    I have already seen too many 'oh, no, a woman can't be a competent, believable fighter/military leader' and 'Disney is shoving diversity down our throats' comments that nothing can beat it, really. It's really disheartening that some of the latter appeared even on our own forum.

    Is it possible that people cannot identify with the characters if they don't look exactly like them? Most of the world managed for the past 150 years.
     
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    Admittedly, I know the numbers weren't that great to back up my point :confused: - but they showed that there was still plenty of interest for a movie that was getting critically slammed, which is more what i was getting at. That, and I was blanking on any other big hits this year/summer. Am I forgetting something big (Civil War, maybe? ) or has it just been a really down year for movies??

    Give it a chance, you may be pleasantly surprised. Its a fun movie that could have been more, but at the least its entertaining. And maybe going into it with low expectations doesn't hurt ;)


    Anyways, the last line of my post above was ultimately my point, and @Empire Jo said what I was trying to say much better. I go to the movies to be entertained more than anything. And for me, more often than not, movies I find entertaining are not ones getting particularly good reviews. Take the Academy Awards, for example. Every year there are masterful pieces up for Best Picture, most of which I haven't seen because they don't interest me and otherwise look boring. And usually arent huge at the box office either. I'm sure they are excellent films; they just don't seem entertaining to me.

    And do I expect Rogue One to be ground-breaking or nominated for Best Picture? Not in the least, but I know I'm going to enjoy the hell out of watching it. Despite what anyone else has to say. I know it's not going to give me a new perspective on life or anything like that, but it's going to make me laugh, say ooh, ahhh, there will be courage, honor, sacrifice, and all that stuff that amounts to a great, fun movie will be overshadowed by claims of forced sexism, or racism, or whatever the negative flavor of the day happens to be at the time.

    Unfortunately, I've just adopted a pessimistic point of view when it comes to film critics, because I rarely agree with the degree of negativitiy (or even positivity for that matter) of most reviews.
     
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    oh absolutely! the advanced sales show there's definite interest! there's a desire! maybe i'm bitter because i feel like WB/DC is totally dropping the ball on the franchise. i don't think there's some "conspiracy" to trash their films, i think the product as a whole is just not up to snuff. probably Civil War is a better comparison. i'll have to see SS to make a final analysis of my own, i guess.

    hahaha ~ my expectations couldn't be lower at this point. but i will see it. i'm just not in a rush and it's disappointing to see that the franchise is struggling at this depth (i'm a huge DC fan, by the way, so this is extra hard).

    this is what i hope for too. i know TFA isn't perfect, but it feels perfect to me. it got me in all the right places. more than enough to overcome sloppy rathtars and stupid toilet Snoke and that inane bit with the ridiculous T8-TR guy. i like what it did narratively, technically, and emotionally and that's all that matters.

    i'm not a film snob by any means. i don't think it's actually possible to love Star Wars, truly, if you are one.
     
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    As a fan, when I first saw TFA I was very disappointed. 3 years of waiting, for... this bland copy/paste? And Luke? C'mon! The greatest character of all times, and you show him in the last 30 seconds? What piece of trash....

    Then, driving home, and thinking about what I saw, i realized that the movie itself was good, after all. The first act, with Finn and Poe's escape; the Falcon; Rey; the Rathars... I realized that there were things I loved about the movie. The day after, reading around the web what kind of critics the movie was receiving, I also realized that nobody was judging it as bad as I judged it the first time. So, I read some reviews, not many; I saw some video-review on Youtube, and then I realized that the reason I was so disappointed by the movie was because I simply wanted to see another kind of movie. I was disappointed because of my being a SW fanboy: I want this => Abrams gave me that => the movie sucked. Lots of fanboys continue to say TFA is the worst movie ever because of this simple equation.

    Actually, reading some other opinion, some professional opinion I mean, helped me to understand what I liked and what I don't about TFA. This is the critic's purpose. I'm a cine-maniac, so I have my preferences. But if I don't understand something, then I could be the problem, not the movie. There are movies that really suck, but this was not the case.
     
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    Couldn't agree more! Its impossibly hard to judge art, which I would call any movie. Its so subjective. Personally I could never do it, because I tend to look for the good over the bad, and can't criticize as much as I should. I know there are terrible parts in every SW movie. But I still love them, so I forgive them. And it obviously helps that the good heavily outweighs the bad.
     
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    It seems to me that what the film critics think about a movie has less impact on it's success than word of mouth and the opinions of the movie going public.
     
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    This is precisely my thought, which is part of the reason I think we need to "cherish" his appearance here, for lack of a better word. Even if Vader shows up in other movies, James Earl Jones is only getting older. I don't mean to sound morbid, but thinking realistically, I don't think we'll get Jones to do it again after this.
     
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    Out of sincere curiousity.. The kind of movie you wanted to see.. Did it look kind of something like this?
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    I'm not going to bite your head off if you say yes; it's part of a theory I've been working on..
     
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    I don't think gender should be an issue when it comes to relating to a character .
     
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