Predicting Rogue One's negative criticism

The middle aged woman in front of me in my premier screening of Suicide Squad told me after the film was over that she couldn't believe the critics gave it such a low rating. So, she looked at the scores, but still got a front row seat at a standard projection theatre.

 

I agree with that theory - and you don't even have to articulate it.

 

The problem with it feeling like a SW movie is the Storm Troopers actually being a strong adversary and accurate with their weapons. The formula that George Lucas and Spielberg had (which I had always enjoyed) was the campy, stooge feeling of the henchmen in their movies. Indiana Jones gave us stooge like Nazi's and SW gave us the same with the storm troopers. I think RO will break that mold which will make it feel like a totally different kind of film.

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That's fantastic and wish it were so.

 

I *BARELY* got through the movie...it was that bad...apparently it'sstill breaking records but I hope R1, as good/bad it might be, at least will break records as it would need to so future movies for spinoffs can be sound and secure
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I hear ya. Some like it, some don't. R1 trailer didn't feel any different in tone, and I think the only thing that might really hurt it is possible wonky dialogue or just that it's darker than the serials. And with a city atop a butte and other stuff I think we got the "big" angle covered. Everyone's gonna like it.. Except for the kiddies. And the "Mary Sue" crowd of course. They've already declared their intent to trash this movie.

 

I would have gone with choices #1 #2 and #3 had the option been available.

Elan sleazebaggano went home to rethink his life.

Disney needs to go back to drawing board and rethink their strategy.

 

*lulz* People gonna people. :Rolling eyes:

 

I'm sure it makes it a lot easier for the average 11 year old looking for a role model.

 

I guess with Asia being far far away it wouldn't make much sense to describe someone that way

 

You're confusing stormtroopers with battledroids.

Go back and watch the OT again, particularly ANH. The stormtroopers are cannon fodder, yes. But they aren't going around stooging it up for the cameras either. And no, they don't end up blasting our heroes to smithereens, not because it's campy but because that would have made for one helluva short movie. (They certainly did more than just pratfalling their way around the Lars farm, judging by our last glimpse of Owen and Beru, or what was left of them.)

This notion that enemy soldiers in the SW universe must be harmless goofballs that pose no genuine threat whatsoever didn't come around until TPM. And IMHO, the PT films were less for having been saddled with that concept. I see no reason why the same mistake should be made with the new SW films.

 

Define 'brown skin' and 'black'.

Those two descriptions don't necessarily match up. They match up only in your mind - imposing a racial construct created by Earth-people that doesn't necessarily exist in the GFFA (and barely exists in human reality, only in the legacy of human law on Earth).

 

You're still reading it as interpretation of 'race' - a construct we created with law and pseudo-science.

Brown skin is brown skin - whether its from a person that looks like Gandhi or a person that looks like Lebron. Curly dark hair could be as curly as Cher in the 80's, or as Whitney Houston in the 90's, or Shirley Temple, or Gina Torres.

You're making that 'race' association yourself, when the text is simply describing what a person looks like. In fact, the fact you think its 'forced' on you is indicative of how insidious race is as a human construct.

 

Forget the negative nincompoops, I hope that SWR1 is the embodiment of this line from Star Wars:

"Before the dark times... before the Empire."

Gritty, ominous & concludes w/ the Tantive IV flying towards the light at the end of the hyperspace tunnel over Tatooine.

 

Does Thrawn's blue skin matter?

 

Yes, because it contrasts awesomely with his Red eyes .

As for the main point of this thread, I think both criticisms and defenses for this film will run the gamut. There will be haters refusing to give it a chance, people who had genuine issues with it(although they still may have enjoyed the total package) and devoted, or in some cases, rabid fans who refuse to acknowledge any flaws in the film(see rabid PT fans who refuse to acknowledge any flaws with those movies for examples).

I for one think it is going to be a good movie, however the jury is out on if it will be a great one. I have only seen one other movie by Gareth Edwards, his Godzilla movie. Having watched that movie, I can honestly say that I enjoyed it overall, but it definitely had some noticeable flaws. From the standpoint of spectacle and scale it was fantastic, seriously great stuff. Looking at the Rogue One trailers this far, it's safe to say that Mr Edwards won't let us down in that department, seriously chilling visuals full of awe once again.

The area where his Godzilla movie stumbled a bit was in the character department. I just didn't really care that much about the Soldier and his family, they were full and boring. It would have been a much better movie had it focused on either the father or the Japanese scientist, but that's a discussion for a different thread.

Based on that, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the area where this movie stumbles a little, in turn being a potential point of contention for critics and fans.