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Putting George Lucass Comments About The Last Jedi Into Perspective

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by SWNN Probe, Dec 13, 2017.

  1. SWNN Probe

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    The maker has spoken! George Lucas has finally viewed Star Wars: The Last Jedi, and while he is no longer involved in the new films of the franchise, everyone is always eager to hear what the creator thinks about the latest installments. But while Lucas may have been complimentary, we should take these light quotes with a grain of salt.





    According to a report by The Hollywood Reporter, Lucas screened The Last Jedi and his long time representative, Connie Wethington, said that Lucas felt the movie was 'beautifully made.' Wethington went on to say that Lucas did speak with writer/director Rian Johnson, and was complimentary in his comments.



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    This doesn't necessarily mean Lucas loved the story, or even the film itself. It is very easy to call someone and congratulate them with compliments - even politicians who despise each other follow this formality after nasty elections. This isn't to say Lucas harbors any resentment or anything, but I am just putting it into perspective, that although he may have spoken to Rian Johnson in a complimentary manner, and said the film was 'beautifully made', it doesn't mean he praises the film.



    You may remember that before The Force Awakens was released to the public, Lucasfilm boss Kathleen Kennedy told The Hollywood Reporter that Lucas enjoyed the film:



    Flash forward to after The Force Awakens' release and Lucas began to really pepper in his true feelings about the film and the direction of the franchise. In his interview with Charlie Rose, Lucas said:


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    While it is nice to see that the creator of Star Wars said The Last Jedi was 'beautifully made', it is a very vague statement, and may not necessarily represent how Lucas feels about the film. Whether it does or not, it is nice to hear that George Lucas is still keeping up with the continuation of the saga he created over 40 years ago, but we shouldn't put heavy stock into any light comments he may have his representatives release to the public.





    SOURCE: The Hollywood Reporter





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    Eh. It's hard to take much of what Lucas says about these films without it coming off as sour grapes.
     
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    No matter what he says some rabid fans will twist it inti something.
     
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    Exactly. Especially when one considers his statement what, in 2010 or so about how he didn't want to make anymore films since the critics just ravaged the prequel trilogy?

    Yep. They will use it to serve their own ends. Personally, if I were him, I'd release a glowing endorsement of each and every film, whether or not it is what I truly felt. I wouldn't want my words to come across as sour grapes or a bat to bludgeon the director.
     
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    Absolutely.
    I'm not saying it is sour grapes but it's so hard to not interpret it that way given the statement you mention.

    Lucas should be focused on making sure Star Wars succeeds and grows in its fan base more than trite comments, IMO
     
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    Well, as long as Lucas gives it his approval, then I can enjoy it! *sarcasm*
     
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    Rian Johnson , J.J Abrams and their menthors are not worth to tie the shoes of George Lucas.

    Their fast charge trilogy has reached maximum with The Last Jedi, and now J.J Abrams must run for his money for his episode IX.to even compete with episode II. If they acheive standards of ep.II with wp IX.it will be worth the records in the archives.

    The last Skywalker Kylo ended on the far end of the Dark Side.
    Killing his father Han Solo was insignificant act to please and eventually kill Snoke, and get to the throne of evil.

    Rey, a girl sold by her 2 scavanger parents,never loved by anyone in fact , and who was once called on duty by Skywalker family light saber (which is now destroyed), is now against the last Skywalker from the failed(and dead)Skywalker family, who became new Vader and the Emperor, and would not left what he acheived from his grip.
    And there willč be no Leia .

    How did it came to this?

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    This article is strange. The comment didn’t need context from anyone else. And I do value what Lucas says, he’s the creator of my favorite movie franchise. His views matter. He was right about TFA, it was retro.I think it lacked creativity and newness. So if The Last Jedi is indeed a new fresh story, it would be safer to assume that Lucas was being genuinely supportive.

    Also, sometimes feelings change. I have grown more disdainful of TFA as time went by, with only the lack of Luke irritating me at first, but then realizing the movie was short on details and lazy. One example is they introduce the knights of Ren but leave only their leader to fight without explaining where they are.

    However, that doesn’t mean different is going to great either. Just because you didn’t mirror ANH this time doesn’t mean it would be cool to crap all over the heroes of old. I waited three movies for Luke to come into his own as a Jedi, and we never saw it happen. His next onscreen activities would be a look. I hope this dispirited Luke isn’t forever tarnishing his acts before.

    There’s a happy medium and I truly hope Johnson found it. I for one won’t be letting him off the hook over some idea it’s at least not a reboot. But I also am open to a new story.

    Bottom line is, the legends are the standard for me. That’s what these new movies must live up to. And so far, not even close. Luke of legends became what he suspected he would, a great Jedi whose deeds would never be mistaken as a myth.
     
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    I didn't read the full article so maybe i'm speaking out of line, but I don't find anything wrong with his comment. It is not like he is going to come out and say "hey it was amazing...much better than anything I could have done" or "it was so-so, I wish they had stayed with my story line". What he said sounds cordial and about what I would expect.
     
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    Mr. George Lucas is polite and silently happy.

    He knows as the entire world already begins to understand as we speak, that he is never dethroned King and the Lord of the Star Wars in eternity and chance to change that ever ,from now on, do not exist .

    Which is good, because forever Star Wars will be measured and considered original Star Wars only by his standards.

    Disney bought his franchise, but didn't bought his signature on the upcoming films.

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    Is the "Lucass" thing on purpose?
     
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    I mean, Lucas did SW to Disney after all. He should have kept it if he wanted to make the ST his way.

    And he did come out of the deal with Disney with 4 billion. That's a pretty good chunk of change.
     
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    I feel like this is the exact reaction we should have expected to have been delivered by his representative. I'm glad he gave it a visual endorsement, but at the end of the day George is still not over the "break-up" part of the Disney deal. He thought he wanted to be done with Star Wars until someone else started making them. He was then hurt they no longer wanted his input. I get it, I don't fault him for it, but he is never going to gush about any future Star Wars movies. There is someone else telling his stories. He is allowed to be short and less than thrilled.

    We shouldn't read into it. He can't be an unbiased critic for Star Wars.
     
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    Not to open a can of worms but this is a man who once remarked that Empire is actually the worst film of the series and has burned pretty much all bridges to the people who actually helped make the original trilogy what it is.
    He has since shown his actual talent as a filmmaker with the prequels.
    He sells his brainchild to the "white slavers" and TFA becomes the biggest Star Wars success yet...
    All things considered I think hes actually being gracious talking about these new films at all.
     
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    This is why it sounds like sour grapes to me
    Personally, I think he should either "do the damn thing" and pump the films up for his friends (make no mistake many of those running LFL are still his friends...or are they....) or just ride off into the sunset on his remastered Bantha and keep a distance from Star Wars for awhile.
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    All good points

    I believe it's over 4 billion now. A huge chunk was Disney stock. Which has only gone up.
     
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    I can't help but AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY with Lucas when he says- “(Disney) wanted to do a retro movie. I don’t like that. Every movie, I worked very hard to make completely different, with different planets, with different spaceships, to make it new.'

    Nonetheless, I find it easiest to enjoy the Disney Star Wars movies when I put my hopes, desires, expectations aside and just accept them for what they are. (Which is essentially the tact I took with regards to the Prequels.)
     
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    I do not understand the mentality of some fans at times, I really don't. Explain to me this logic - George Lucas created and then almost destroyed Star Wars over a 35 year period. Then when its at its lowest he sells up and 'f*cks off'. Yet is revered as an infallible Demigod (by some).

    Disney purchase Star Wars, rejuvenate the franchise, release 3 films in 3 years (which will easily pass $4bn at the box office), promise a new trilogy, have re-organised the chaotic EU and have generally conducted all affairs with respect and admiration to the source material, Yet are considered the corporate heart of darkness.

    How, in any line of reasoning does that make sense?

    George Lucas was no 'saintly old story teller' he was in it for the money just as much as Disney are now. He scored a massive winner with the OT but badly damaged his and SW's reputation with the PT. And rather than try and fix it himself he waits a few years, then sells it to the highest bidder. He wasn't shanghai'd into it, he didn't need to sell, he cashed in.

    If as a fan your unhappy with the direction Disney/LFL are taking star wars, then direct your ire and frustrations not at them but the man who sold his life's work, to the 'Corporate Empire' you've came to despise. George Lucas gave Disney free reign to do as they please no one else.

    If he isn't happy with Disney not 'going in the direction' he envisaged, he shouldn't have sold it. Don't sit back on your billions and aim thinly veiled criticisms at something you no longer wanted anything to do with.

    That said, George Lucas is still a legend for the world he created and the stories he told but he made some truly horrible decisions, to selectively forget those and look upon his time with rose tinted glasses is a mistake that will hamper the series going forward.

    Apologies for the rant but that's been pissing me off for months.
     
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    What are you talking about?

    Lucas's only 2 relative mistakes in 40 years was Jar Jar Binx,and Midichlorians, , however every his film had clear ending and continuation, and connection.

    Situation left after the "masterpiece" resembles beaches after Iwo-Jima 1944 with the most famous family in history of SF turned into worst space family in history, while franchise must go on.

    "Masterpiece" is well filmed and entertaining film on its own, but people who think in advance and think on entire franchise already feel dizzy.
     
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    I don't disagree. People really forget exactly how things were for a bit.
    Between god awful cartoons, Ewok movies, Christmas Specials, a completely erratic EU that is given slightly undeserved credit because of a few diamonds in a sea of turds, the incredibly divisive PT movies...Lucas hadn't presented anything truly his and wholly great since 1980...ya know...if you don't count the fact that ESB probably has the least amount of Lucas in it and is widely considered the best in the whole franchise....and that ROTJ isn't this "always looking for new" thing he mentions....neither is TPM (Revenge of Tattooine and a whiny annoying Skywalker)....yes we all still can love and adore all this mess because it's Star Wars, but at the same time we can look back and realize we are likely to get more, better products on the whole now than we did 1984-2015.

    It will never make everyone happy. But we have a coherent timeline with tv shows, books, movies, comics and games that all fit seamlessly together and create a unified lore that isn't contradictory or require extensive back reading. And quite frankly, that's nice to have.
     
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    If you think those are the only 2 mistakes GL made, then there is no point entering into a discussion about it. I'm also not interested in discussing aspects of tlj as I haven't seen it yet.
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    Couldn't have said it any better myself, totally agree with every word. :)
     
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