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Questions after watching TROS

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Obi5Kenobi, Dec 23, 2019.

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    Should I switch laundry detergent?
    What should I have for dinner?
    Would I really eat a porg?
    Why are those space horses so damn creepy?
    If you cry on the space station do you tears just float off your face?
    Why is the woodchuck chucking wood anyways?
    If Vader meet Pennywise what scary thing would he see?
    If Jason Vorhees had a lightsaber what color would it be?
    I think the Crites should have cameo in SW but how?
    are SW and Star Trek in the same universe just and different points in time?
     
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    . . . . . . . . . . . yes
     
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    Yes, in the movie. I've seen mouse droids in every other SW movie and I didn't notice one in TROS. I like spotting them.
     
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    They said the atmosphere of the planet was hostile and that the fleet needed the navigation beacons to take off or they'd be torn apart. I remember Rose mentioning solar flares.
     
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    I hear the planet at the beginning was Mustafar. (Visual Dictionary they say,)
     
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    According to this site: https://www.google.com/amp/s/nerdist.com/article/the-rise-of-skywalker-visual-dictionary/?amp

    The planet from the beginning was Mustafar
    The Rise of Skywalker opens with Kylo Ren on a mysterious planet, knocking down opponents on his quest for a “wayfinder,” or a device that will lead him to a resurrected Palpatine. We only spend about a minute on this planet and it’s never referenced again. In the visual dictionary, we learn that this ash-crusted, red location is actually Mustafar, the volcano planet where Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader.

    But why does the planet look so different? As first hinted in the video game Vader Immortal, the planet is actually “healing” after being caught in a gravity tug of war between two gas planets. Kylo actually retrieves the wayfinder from the ruins of Vader’s castle, which we first saw onscreen in Rogue One.

    Also, the armored men Kylo beats down? They’re actually Vader cultists called Alazmec who colonized Mustafar and protected the castle’s grounds.

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    I can't confirm this information now.
    Unfortunately I bought the english version of the Visual Dictionary and it will arrives only the January 6th.
     
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    The sith dagger. The outline matches the wreckage of the second death star. So it’s made after the Battle of Endor. Who at that time could have made a dagger in that shape who knew the sith language? How the macklunkey’s mackly mack did that thing get made?
     
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    Sith loyalists.
     
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    In watching the movie for the second time today, I noticed it looks like Max Kanata is done with practice effects in this movie. Has anyone read anything about that?
     
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    So Sith loyalists knew that the wayfinder was in the vault in the second Death Star. I can get behind that. They also knew where wreckage containing the vault landed. Ok... So, with that in mind, they left the wayfinder where it was and crafted a dagger, complete with blade in the shape of the outline of the Death Star wreckage and with instructions on how to find the wayfinder (even though they already knew where it was)? Why?

    The dagger ends up with "jedi hunter" Ochi. Ochi was supposed to bring Rey back to Palpatine but when Rey's parents wouldn't give up her location he killed them and eventually died on Pasana. If Ochi was supposed to bring Rey to Palpatine, he already knew how to get to Exogol and didn't need the dagger or the wayfinder. Why would this dagger have been created?
     
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    My guess is that Ochi knew the location of the wayfinder, but when he got trapped in the cave and realized he was going to die ( probably killed by the sand serpent) , he inscribed the location in the dagger so that other Sith loyalists could find it in the future. He wrote the message in the ancient runic language of the Sith to make sure that only true Sith loyalists would be able to read it.
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    In the PT, both Obi-Wan and Palpatine use the healing power. It is actually a well-established force skill in the canon. I suppose that, in Ben and Rey’s case, it is stronger ( to the point of bringing someone literally back to life) because of the bond between them ( the dyad) , which is as strong as life itself ( or so Palpatine says).
     
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    What about the blade in the shape of the DS2 wreckage? The dagger without the inscription but with the shape of the wreckage doesn't make sense. Why would it have been made without the inscription but with the correct shape? The whole dagger just screams "I was made to give people something to look for in a movie!"
     
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    Who finally ended up with the Falcon?

    Where the heck is Luke’s green lightsaber? Not totally important, I know, but when Anakin and Leia's blades got buried (especially at the homestead) Luke’s SHOULD have been there also...IMO.
     
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    1. Is the New Republic reestablished or does the galaxy opt for some different form of central government? Do they even bother with a central government this time?
    2. What happens to the surviving First Order forces? They had a rather large fleet invade the galaxy on several fronts, seems unlikely they'd disappear overnight.
    3. Are there any surviving military personnel from the "Final Order"?
    4. Seeing as how Sienar Fleet Systems managed to secretly produce starships to both the First Order and Sith Eternal, will they finally be dissolved?
    5. How on God's green earth did Palpatine have a kid? Dude would've been a proper senior citizen by the time he had him.
     
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    The blade is showing where in the wreckage to find the vault. As long as you know to stand on the south shore, the inscription isn't necessary - only the blade is necessary. But if you don't know where to stand, then the inscription is as equally important. So if Ochi(sp?) was already told where to be to use the dagger, no inscription would be necessary. Since the wayfinder was still at the vault, I would presume anyone looking for Rey was told to first get the girl before getting the wayfinder.

    The fact they needed the wayfinder implies they hadn't yet been to the secret Sith stronghold so they must've been operating in the known galaxy with the end goal of going to the Sith hideout. Maybe that was their reward: find the girl, and you get the honor of being allowed to visit the secret Sith stronghold and even meet the Sidious himself! But who knows. In the end all that's known is that it was Sith loyalists who were working to find Rey and get her to Sidious. Everything else is just speculation.

    Sure, that's exactly what it was. That's a common motif in adventure stories - find this, do that, go there, say the password, and there's it is. X marks the spot. It's like in Raiders of the Lost Ark - find the talisman, make the right size stick, go to the chamber, put it in the socket, wait for the sunlight through the hole, and there you have it. X marks the spot. Who made the talisman? Who wrote the measurement inscription? Why'd they write a crucial part of the measurement on the opposite side so the Nazis would be digging in the wrong place because the guy only burned one side of it into his palm? It doesn't matter. It's just a plotline. What matters is what the characters experience and go through along the journey. That's the story that matters.

    Who made the Tesseract and who put the Space stone in there? Who put the Soul stone in that place? Who knows. The Infinity Stones were just made to give people something to look for in the story. But the story isn't looking for the Infinity stones - that's the plot. The story is about the characters and how they come together and face their trials because of the Infinity stones.

    It was pretty well established that the Falcon was Rey's ship. That's why Poe was explaining to her why it was on fire. All of it. It was all on fire.

    I think the blue saber is more recognized as Luke's saber, though. It's like in the movie the Accountant, you see he has it on a little stand and it says "Luke Skywalker's lightsaber" and given that we see Luke and Leia force ghosts, I think we're supposed to be understanding the two sabers as Luke and Leia's sabers. At least, that's what my mind was seeing in that scene.
     
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    Exactly it's not important.
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    One question here.

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    Where do that yellow blade come from ?
     
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    By all accounts, we're meant to believe that it's hers, and that she passed that test and assembled her very own, and now is her own person....perhaps now a Jedi. Heavy symbolism right there...
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    That's what I initially saw as well, but it just occurred to me that Vader/Anakin were also an element in this trilogy as well, and it just seemed to me that if Rey was putting to rest those two particular sabers, that either Anakin should've been there with Luke and Leia, of Lukes green saber should've been there, or both, just to round out and match the sabers to everyone directly in attendance.
     
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    To be honest, most of these seem kinda like CinemaSins-esque "nitpicks" rather than questions.

    I mean, I would argue that asking why the First Order uses treaded vehicles, then asking specifically why these treaded vehicles have a launching mechanism, kinda answers its own question in circular logic. Why not just assume that these vehicles are specifically designed for launching Jet Troopers forward during a chase (and thereby preserving their momentum) since that's exactly how we saw them used during the chase?

    The Sith Fleet's beacon also is pretty easy to explain- the entire plot centers around how difficult it is to travel through the maelstrom that leads to and from Exegol. The only way anyone ever travels to the planet in the plot is via beacon or Wayfinder.

    However, I do think there are some things people have brought up that are reasonable critiques of untended threads, and personally I believe they have to do with JJ's methods of storytelling. For the record, I do like JJ and I think he mostly did a great job, but sometimes it feels like he tries to seed so many mysteries that some fall flat on the floor.

    For instance, people have been discussing the lightsaber. I guess it would've been reasonable enough for the audience to just accept that Maz came across it at some point, if that was how it was presented. But I don't think over-analyzing fans should take all the blame here when Maz, when asked about the saber in the Force Awakens, literally says "A story for another time", pretty heavily implying that audiences would learn about it at some point.

    Same goes for Finn's "Rey, there's something I've never told you". Sure, his Force Sensitivity is a pretty reasonable answer to this question, but even if the flirtyness audiences saw between the two in TFA was unintentional, JJ and co would by now at least know that is how it was interpreted. There's no reason for audiences to assume that Finn is only talking about Force Sensitivity here, because there are other reasonable answers, too.

    Again, I can't stress enough that I really loved The Rise of Skywalker, but that might be my biggest complaint. I'm curious if there really was a specific reason for that ambiguity, or if it really was just a miscalculation. Such certainly happens with writing.
     
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    The flirtness between Rey and Finn in TFA was NOT unintentional. The novelization of TFA explicitly mentions , when Rey was looking at the comatose Finn after the destruction of Starkiller base, something like “ a boy she had just met, but already adored” ( don’t remember the exact words, but it was pretty clear).


    At some point between Episodes 7 and 8, I guess plans changed because of the Reylo arch and the dyad concept. It was an imperative of the direction they wanted to take the trilogy really. At that point, they didn’t know what to do with Finn. They tried to set him up with Rose, but that didn’t go anywhere and audience reaction was negative. Then they came up with Jannah, who actually has a good chemistry with Finn and is his soulmate from a certain POV as they both share a common past. But it is still obvious that Finn is fixated on Rey and on saving her (always). Best friends, brotherly love perhaps, but I don’t think so.

    Unfortunately, unless Disney has plans to revisit those characters in the future, we will never know.


    As far as Finn’s big secret is concerned, I am resigned to accept what JJ said and John Boyega hinted, i.e, that he was going to tell her he had found out he could feel the force although it makes no sense for him to say that in that particular moment.
     
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