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"Random" Rey.....

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Lock_S_Foils, Dec 26, 2017.

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    I think there is a middle ground here.

    On one hand, Rey probably grew up knowing how to fight and fix stuff. I don’t think that is too big of a leap. And this is coming from someone who hasn’t liked either film.

    On the other hand, the writers using “the force is mysterious” is lazy and bad writing.

    While it makes sense we will see new force powers in new films, just chalking everything up to “that crazy force” is lame.

    Also, you can’t hate the idea of Annakin as space Jesus but be okay with Rey as “the forces answer to Kylo”...


    To ground the debate more in the real world/

    This is the Skywalker saga- it’s been called that by Disney and KK herself.

    What in The world is this trilogy adding to the Skywalker saga???



    Don’t tell me Kylo. If he is redeemed in 9, the trilogy really becomes a complete ripoff of the OT.

    It’s not an original arc at all.

    The hero is Rey- a random.

    There isn’t even another character in the background who can progress the Skywalker story forward.

    So why is this trilogy even necessary for the overall story/mythology?

    Why not call it “the Rey saga episodes 1-3”?

    Why did they even label it the Skywalker saga?

    Other than money of course.

    What does this story add to the saga?
     
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    @TheTruTru the reason she can do these things and that she is a nobody is because they didn't plan out the trilogy before they started shooting which gave Rian Johnson room to make a fan fic that basically disregarded all the movies that preceded it and answered none of the questions. Now the fans are left to reconcile the gaps and hope that Episode 9 ties off some of these loose ends.

    Like you, I don't think there is a problem with Rey being random. I think there is a problem with deliberately feeding suspicion that she was related to the Skywalkers only to say later on she wasn't and then pretend that fan "head canon" is what the problem was.
     
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    Why is everybody forgetting Leia???? She's the mother of the other Skywalker here and the new caretaker of Rey.

    Leia is a Skywalker and Episode 9 is/was supposed to be her and her son's story.
     
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    1. This is not how balance works. The light cannot be in power and there be balance. Hence misread the prophecy may be. The Jedi where blind to there own arrogance. This was explained by the prequels.
    2. Luke and Leia existed but where not implanted with abilities they did not train for.
    3. I don't just mean Kylo. What about the guards who only purpose to exist is to protect Snoke. Just another band of junkyard fighters.
    4. Vadar mind probed Luke. Why didn't he gained all of Vadars knowledge and abilities. The Jedi consul mind probed 10 year old Anakin.
    5/6. This is not Harry Potter.
    7. There is nothing thing to say besides this is dumb then you get marked as trolling for saying what is dumb is dumb.
     
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    In terms of what works characger wise, yes it is more interesting when a hero struggles. In that sense, Rey has had it quite easy. But in regards to what we see her do, I think it is explained. She has the same connection to the Force as Kylo Ren. Everything she does, fighting him aside, is easily justified. She was pretty good in combat and the guards are no great adversary’s in the general scheme of things. With her standard abilities plus the injection of the force, that fight seems fine to me. Luke went toe to toe with Vader in his first real battle. As for the fight with Ren, well, there are many reasons why that went the way it did. Sure, outpowering him in grabbing the saber shows she came along fast. But if she has a stronger connection to the Force than Luke and truly believes in her power, then there isn’t really a end to what she could do. Only knowledge holds her back.

    The problem Luke had in the OT was that he never really believed in the force until Yoda showed him the power of it. Rey has a stronger belief in it: probably because she saw in Ren’s head. So that explains the gulf there perhaps?

    I also think the hint is in the title of TFA. Pablo says he Force was dormant. The eruption of this awakening seems to have bestowed those who use the force with greater power than before.
     
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    Huh?

    I’m not forgetting her.

    This trilogy is about new characters.

    Of course older characters are present, but to support the new characters.

    The only new Skywalker is Kylo.
     
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    I don't disagree with what you're saying, but you're filling in the blanks left by the two movies in the ST so far. Taken at face value, we're just supposed to believe Rey is powerful. They haven't given us a why or even a hint as to why...she just is. All they needed was a couple lines of dialog to explain where Rey's power comes from, and they didn't. So now we're supposed to sit here and guess why. Maybe you're right & it's because of her strong belief in the force (even though she thought it was a myth like a week ago in movie time). Maybe she is the Yin to Kylo's Yang (even though we've never seen someone become powerful without training just because someone else becomes powerful). My point is we don't know and can only go off of what they've shown which is she's more powerful than anyone previous without training. And that's poor/lazy writing
     
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    rey random is fine. The problem i have is that they spent a whole movie setting up a mystery box. Also, watch TFA again. Rey is now a moron. This gal was looking up at the sky and talking about how her family (the ones she knows sold her into slavery for drinks.) will be back to get her. She leaves jakku with finn, but wants to return to keep waiting for her family. Like....wat? Also, her force vision showed a ship flying away. Rey random wasn't set up. thats my only issue with it, that and there needed to be an explanation as to why she's neo.
     
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    Yup.

    In TFA Rey never once asked “who are my parents?”

    In TLJ, it’s suddenly her biggest question.

    Why? To trick/manipulate the audience.


    Plus, I can’t beleive they didn’t plan out the trilogy.

    After TFA, I kept hearing “trust the story group”...hahaha.

    They didn’t map out anything.
     
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    I think that you have uncovered the basic problem with this trilogy. They're trying to wind down the Skywalker saga while at the same time ramping up a new hero. This was much too ambitious of a project given the weight of the stories which preceded it. When I heard RJ was getting a whole new series of movies to work with, I thought "Wish they had done that all along." Then they could give the Skywalker saga the attention it deserves while not detracting from the new protagonists.

    As it stands now, I wonder if they have realized their mistake. In which case it might be a better ending for the saga but probably not for Rey. Star Wars has a new series coming with all-new heroes, what do they need with Rey now? Only to use as a foil for Kylo, and you can see it in this movie as it was much less focused on her. That's why her ancestry is no big deal, nor is how she became so powerful. Perhaps at one time they intended to answer these questions, but I don't think they care anymore.
     
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    Right.

    So rey’s Main purpose in the saga is to turn the male Skywalker back to the light?

    How awful.

    Didn’t Daisy recently say she is looking forward to moving on? Maybe this is at least partially why,

    What a waste.
     
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    I don't really mind that Rey is random. And I don't really mind that she is super powerful...
    I don't like that she is unbeatable. She's like the Goku of Star Wars. She's never in danger of failing. She's not seriously tempted by the dark side. Goes to the Dark Cave and learns to depend on herself...oooookayyyyy. Doesn't even consider siding with Kylo. Because she's infallible, so far. IMO this is part of what makes her not a compelling character. Luke was compelling, in part, because he messed up all the time, and he also had to depend on his friends and family. But his heart was always in the right place. Made a more relateable and more interesting character. IMO.

    But I think that if she was related to the legacy of the Jedi or Sith or Skywalkers or something...It would add an element to her character that would make her interesting in the scope of the overarching saga, even if she's not that great of a character in her own right.

    I do think that Daisy's portrayal of Rey was much better this time around in TLJ than in TFA. So kudos for that.
     
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    Hard to undertand why people are complaining about "Rey's superpowers" without any training.
    I think they forgot about a slave little boy named Anakin that won a deadly pod racer and destroyed the main federation battle ship in his stolen naboo starfighter...without....any training...
    Or about another boy, this time a farmer, that helped the rebelion to destroy the gigantic and powerfull Death Star...withh...maybe here a little training (vs. the remote in the MF)...
    The arc is just continuing with Rey.
     
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    @Messi Well said! Concur!
     
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    So we got to see Anakin & Luke display their pilot skills before they had Jedi training. So what? Rey displays her pilot skills when expertly flying the Falcon away from Tie fighters on Jakku. What we didn't see Anakin & Luke do before training was defeat a skilled dark side user, perform a Jedi mind trick, lift massive boulders, etc
     
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    Exactly, there is really no comparison whatsoever, she achieved more in a few days than what took Anakin or Luke years.
     
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    She is probably the most strong person in the galaxy with conection to the force. Or she has a higher level of midiclhorians in her blood, higher than Yoda or Anakin ( I dont like this explanation, but there are lovers of the prequels who like probably).
     
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    She's just a better and more willing learner than Luke was.
     
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    Honestly, if they had said that Rey had an off the charts midiclhorian count, I'd prefer it to what we have right now. I wouldn't like it, I think it would be a cheap rehash if that were the explanation, but it's at least an explanation. Right now it's just "she's powerful because she is." There's no reason given as to why...so far

    Clearly. And more willing to learn than any Jedi ever. Only took her a week
     
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    Well, maybe ep. IX will tell us a little more about it.
     
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