"Random" Rey.....

Gee, it's like they should be making a third movie...

 

I agree with you. SW was never about that but looking at the history of threads here yields post after post of people suggesting just that.That the force is hereditary.

I think your assessment of "complete" rip off is unwarranted. If nothing else Vader didn't kill the emperor in the second film.

Regardless of whose the last Skywalker standing. Yoda suggested that Luke trust Rey to rebuild the Jedi. He then burned out the last of his life to save the resistance and help Rey be the rebirth of the Jedi.

 

Yes but I only see it on threads that imply that this is something new and brilliant that TLJ has brought to star wars.

 

So willing to learn she didn't even need a teacher.

 

Look how low the bar is for original. “Kylo killed Snoke in the 2nd movie not the third”

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Bottom line is that if Rey turns Kylo good in the end of this trilogy that is literally the same plot as Luke and Vader.

Yeah, that’s a ripoff.

And a complete waste of the first female lead in a Star Wars trilogy. Her main purpose in this saga will be to be the woman who inspires a better man? It’s offensive. And unoriginal.




If she ends up defeating him, it’s also a waste because a) she already did once and b) it means this sequel to the Skywalker saga isn’t even about the skywalkers and adds absolutely nothing positive to their story.

 

Let’s just let me try and clear this up.

Everyone in the galaxy is born with some connection to the Force. The number of midichlorians they have defines how naturally connected they are to it. The more midis, the easier it is to learn the force and the more powerful they will become.

The Force IS hereditary. If you have a parent who is strong in the Force then you will have a stronger connection to it - if this wasn’t ALWAYS the case then the Jedi would never have assumed that Luke would be powerful in the Force (which was a plot point since 1977). So genetics matter.

But clearly, people could become powerful without the need for Force strong relatives. There were likely many jedi over the years who were born with a strong connection to the force that their parents did not have. Likewise, many probably had parents who knew they had a strong connection.

Ultimately, for the vast majority ancestry didn’t matter that much. You could’ve had a head start by luck or through genetics. Either way, for most, it was about how much they trained and devoted themselves to the force that counted.

For the Skywalker’s it is different. Their power has always been well beyond everyone else. Off the chart. That’s why Luke was always the last hope (well, him and Leia). And the Star Wars saga has hinged on that very point.

So although Rey has been born essentially with the same Force advantage as the Skywalker’s, her origins are different and being a no one is significant as she is able to show how you don’t have to be of that (privileged) bloodline to be important. She represents the little people. The children who have a power but are pushed out of the main story. In defence of JJ he knew the importance of genetics in the SW universe - as shown with Kylo Ren. But he knew it was important to tell a story that spoke to the young children watching this new trilogy. Rey, juxtaposed against Ren in particular, says that the Force is there for everyone and that they can make a difference if they just believe...

 

Bottom line is if there's a lightsaber duel in IX it's the same plot....

 

Except that clearly isn’t true and not my point at all.

 

And if they were related, how would the story be different?

Fact is, Kylo will either be redeemed or he will die evil. It can only go these ways. It’s how we get there that counts. And as far as I can tell, the ReyBen storyline is as far removed from Luke/Vader as one could possibly imagine.

 

Options are:

1.Redemption of Kylo by Rey trough love turning sequel trilogy into cheap, predictable pathetic Galactic Titanic which would be loughed forever(and probably destroy Star Wars saga status of top SF franchise).

2. Rey kills Kylo, killing by this the last Skywalker, and last Solo, which will be greatest slaughter of branded heroes in history of cinematography with their last memeber ended on the side of darknes, (he even does not need to die there in dark side end).By this all previous heroes in his line (Skywalkers and Solos) will turn into ultimate faliure. Looking Star Wars original trilogies will be sad knowing how this people's line ended..

3.They will turn to be brother and sister(or cousins) in the jet unseen story how she was lost.This will make Lifes of Leia, Han, Luke ,Anakin and Padme justiffied, and the galaxy will be led into era of peace and balance by Anakin's anscestors. Prophecy would be fulfilled ultimately at the end. It will be perfect end, and than new trilogies could be made by Disney as wanted, having this basic foundation and perfect end of main 9 films 3 trilogy line.

J.J. would do that to save trilogy and franchise.​

 

Again, why do we have to wait until the third film to get a good, original movie?

Also, it’s clear they didn’t map this thing out at all so I’d pump the breaks on hoping 9 pulls it all together.

 

There are other options, but 1/3 aren't happening. It's best for you to go ahead and accept that Rey isn't related to anyone. JJ has known about this for three years now. He's not gonna change the story.

 

Of course they mapped it out. A great many of us actually saw ReyLo, Rey Random and weak/depressed Luke coming a mile off. The seeds were sown in TFA and carried through by RJ. They clearly have a plan of where the general story is going.

And are you seriously saying TLJ isn’t original? You’ll be telling me TFA was unique and that TPM was a masterpiece, next.

 

Well if they were related, and she defeats him, then at least the hero was a Skywalker.

Also, in my version, we’d have gotten 2 original movies by now.

Also, I’m not even saying Rey needs to be the good Skywalker. There could have been another character.

Also, a cool way to do Kylos redemption would be to have it happen in the 2nd film- then the third movie could explore how that works, people not trusting him, etc.

Or doing his own space Batman thing.

Something original to Star Wars.


And Rey being the only person who believes Kylo can be turned is an exact like replay, with the potential icky and sexist subplot that Rey is just there to save her abuser.

 

There also volumes of why she has to be a Skywalker to continue the story . . . to explain her power . . . and on and on. Because SW is so much fairy tale people seem to think that "my father had it" and high midichloreans mean the force is gentics. Its great that you don't think so but people are rejecting that idea because it has been tossed around.

 

I wasn't expecting her to be a random. Surprise is good specially in Star Wars (we are in episode VIII... we need some of that!)
I always thought of her to be a Skywalker (that's why the saber was calling to her), though it worked pretty well for the overall story of VIII to be a random.

Greatest thing is that whatever does JJ in VIII (making her a Skywalker or leaving her as a random) I will be satisfyed.

 

Luke saved the man who cut off his arm. Rey cut up Ben pretty well in TFA.

I'm just happy the "Luke changed the Jedi order so he could have kids" theory is finally dead.

 

Stop talking down to me.

No they didn’t map it out. This is established fact from Rians interviews.

TLJ was ESB remixed with a touch of rotj and some gotcha moments.

Reylo is unoriginal, corny, and sexist.

 

She believed that he could be redeemed. How did that turn out? Completely different than she thought (as Luke warned), Kylo wasn't redeemed instead he seized power and offered her the "rule the galaxy with me" line.

 

I’m not debating that.

My point is that this trilogy adds nothing original to the Skywalker saga.

They shouldn’t have called them 7-9 and sequels to the Skywalker tale.

Because they are adding nothing to the saga legacy.