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SPOILER Rebels Season 3 Ep 19 "Twin Suns"

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  1. Hermann22

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    The moment that a lot of us have been waiting for has finally arrived. Obi-Wan "Ben" Kenobi vs Maul. I am going to get right into it, so please be aware of...MASSIVE, MAJOR, GIGANTIC SPOILERS BELOW!!!!!!

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    I AM NOT KIDDING! MASSIVE SPOILERS BELOW! READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!!!!






    ...still with me?....Let's do this....









    What worked for me:


    - Obi-Wan "Ben" Kenobi
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    Growing up, I was never a big Obi-Wan fan. It wasn't until the Prequels and The Clone Wars that I fell in love with the character thanks to Ewan McGregor and James Arnold Taylor. Obi-Wan's journey is a sad one, but it's also one of hope and demonstrates that a person should never give up and aspire to be better than what they are. This episode only FURTHERS my love for the character and proves he is one of best characters in the entire Saga (more on that later). Also, a shout out must be made to Stephen Stanton for doing a fantastic job of the Alec Guinness version of Obi-Wan.




    - The ending
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    There is zero doubt in my mind that the ending of this episode will divide Star Wars fans forever. The fact that Kenobi takes out Maul in a few swings is a BOLD move. After all, look at the amazing fight in TPM and all fights/build up from the Clone Wars. This fight had to be epic. I think it was epic from a certain point of view. This Kenobi is NOT the same person that fought Maul all those years back. Kenobi has been transcending/distancing himself away from the old, dogmatic view of the Jedi from the Prequel Trilogy (not a dig at the Prequels, btw). Instead, he has become more in tune with the Force. As we see in the OT, he was able to become one with the Force and keep his individuality which is something only Master Yoda and Anakin were able to accomplish. My point is this: his knowledge of the Force and power in it has increased enough that he doesn't need a ton of fancy moves anymore. He has become more than that. I also know that a TON of people will disagree with me and that's to be expected on something as controversial as this.



    - Maul
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    Sam Witwer once again delivers an amazing performance with Maul in little screen time. I honestly believe that his voice alone made the character come alive to his full potential, thanks to his brilliant voice acting. Maul's departure is a sad one for me because, well, I loved the character, but if he was going to go out then it should be by Obi-Wan, IMO.


    - The animation of Tatooine
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    Broken record time, but I LOVED the animation of this episode. Rebels has come SO FAR in the animation department. The episode really captured the sand planet's desolate feel in a cinematic way that I wasn't expecting. I felt every ounce of sand and dirt on the characters bodies and the toll that the sun had on them. Here is another fantastic shot:
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    What didn't work for me:

    - These two...kinda.
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    I didn't hate that Ezra was there. I could have done without him, but he didn't end up ruining it for me. Yes, I know he was the bait that Maul used to lure out Kenobi and the show needed to resolve Maul and Ezra's relationship. That's why Ezra gets a pass. Chopper though? WHY? Ugh. This droid can't get destroyed fast enough. Maybe he ends up going to Alderaan and gets destroyed by the Death Star? One can hope.


    Quick hitters:

    - SAND PEOPLE!!! I lost it when I saw them.
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    - I dig this A-Wing paint job. 4.jpg


    - DEWBACK! He's pretty cute.
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    This episode was an all timer for me. It is probably in the top 5 Rebels episodes for me. I realize that this episode is going to be HIGHLY DIVIDED amongst fans. For me, it worked on every level and only furthers the overall Saga.

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    I really liked this episode. I originally thought it was dumb to have Ezra waste screen time and wanted Maul to Obi-wan to take up the whole episode.

    Good
    * This episode makes "holocrons of fate" even better. The revelation holocrons aren't magic fortune cookies and Ezra was played was genuinely surprising.

    * The end Duel. It wasn't super showy, but it reminded me of old Samurai duels. In real life duels don't last long, ending within 15 seconds or so when the faster or accurate opponent lands a strike.

    *I liked Ezra and Chopper in this episode. I'm not a Chopper hater, but he rarely does anything for me.

    * Hera's acting. I could feel her emotions in that speech to Ezra before he leaves.

    *Reusing Beru's ANH dialogue to call to the new hope.

    Weird
    * "is he the chosen one" "yes". It sounded like Ben finds Luke to be the chosen one. I wonder if they will go against Lucas and make this canon. I mean Lucas found balance to mean "no dark side, it is cancer on the force" and recent interview take a more Yin/Yang approach...so we'll have to wait to see.

    Instead of doing "bads", I'll list a few things I wish would've happened. I didn't really dislike anything in the episode



    * This should've been a 40 minute episode. Maul and Obi see each other with 3 mins left to the show. More time for Ezra to wonder in the desert would've made it feel more hopeless. I hope that next season is 10-40 min episodes rather than 20ish 20 min episodes. I don't mind fillers, but I want important stuff to have room to breathe.

    * This might've been implied, but I wish it were explicit. I wanted the Tuskens to flee from Maul's red saber. Taken literally, there might have just been 2 tuskens, and maul killed them. But Ezra's line of "the explosion scared them away" made it seem like there could've been more of them and they were actually scared away by Maul.
     
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    Obi-Wan gave Chopper a recharge. Loved that.

    I wonder if Obi-Wan cremated Maul afterwards, or just buried him? Or burned his top half and buried the bottom half?!
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    I really liked it and Obi Wan showed was a true jedi is.
     
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    Yeah i agree, it will disappoint those guys who want a flashy fight but that was not only samurai-esque: it told us something about the way those characters had in the last years. Obi knows his failure and wanted to become better, Maul only fights for revenge and his former status.
     
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    Whoops, meant to say "wasn't super showy" I edited my original post. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Star wars seems to be going back to Samuari roots with Kylo's helmet and canon Darth Bane.

    Zatoichi (the blind swordsman) is the fighting sytle this duel most reminds me of, and Kanan is an obvious nod to that character.

    If Ben was flipping around, it would've made the ANH duel with Vader seem even more incongruous.
     
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    Obi-wan had all that time to think. He figured out horizontal cuts don't work. Vertical cuts get the job done.
     
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    I liked the shortness of the fight. That was quick :D
     
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    Welcome back. Did you ever toss in your two cents for last week?

    I loved the duel but didn't really see it as a sign of superior mastery. I think him and Maul are both past their prime. I think they just wanted something a little more realistic and reminiscent of old samurai films. I think Ben can't flip around like he used to. This helps us transition into ANH. Vader is still very powerful in the force, but duels differently due to a change in mobility. Ben fights differently because he is an old desert hermit.
     
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    I'm not sure it really deserves to be called a "fight," insofar as "fight" in a Star Wars/lightsaber context brings to mind something much more drawn out. The scene wasn't about the fight, anyway. It was about the resolution of the Obi Wan and Maul story arc. I really liked it.

    I do wish they hadn't pushed the "fight" so much when marketing the episode, though. Same as the problem of pushing Vader in Rogue One's marketing. This kind of thing builds hype in the wrong ways.

    And for the record, beautiful animation during the "fight." The nighttime Tatooine stuff was really great to look at.
     
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    Exactly. I feel fooled right now because I was so naive to think that there would be a 2-3 minute fight...
     
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    I did not read that Maul was cut down. I actually read that the only thing that kept Maul alive was his anger towards Obi-Wan. But when Obi-Wan destroyed Maul's lightsaber in half, Maul realized that Obi-Wan was actually protecting the one thing that would bring down the Sith. Maul's anger subsided and his life drained from him.

    I'll have to watch it again, but I watched the scene three times and did not ever see Obi-Wan's lightsaber pierce Maul.

    I will also say this characterization of Obi-Wan is much more in tune of what we see in A New Hope than in Clone Wars. He's grown older, wise, more powerful and understands his purpose. Having some big fight between the two of them would be, frankly, a fan-fiction-fan-boy-wet-dream.
     
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    Watch the scene again. I didn't get it at first either, but you can see smoke coming out of Maul's abdomen when he is laying down dying and talking to Ben. I think he cut him open vertically on the chest, but they just couldn't show/focus on it for obvious reasons.
     
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    That's EXACTLY how I took it. And I'm a little mad that you beat me to posting it. ;)

    Maul still lived because of all the hate, anger and pain that he felt - the Dark Side - with a lot of it aimed at Obi-Wan. But when Maul comes to the realization of who Obi-Wan is protecting - in that moment when his lightsaber is cut in half - he is instantly beaten, and dies.

    To that end, Obi-Wan lies about the Chosen One.

    Also, I noticed a parallel between Maul dying in Obi-Wan's arms, and Qui-Gon. Not only were they visually similar, they were essentially talking about the same thing. Truly full-circle.
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    I've yet to watch in high-def. I'll definitely look for that when I do.
     
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    I'm stuck at work for a while, but i'll add a screenshot in 8-10 hours if anyone is interested. Or if someone wants to beat me to it, feel free.

    I like what you two said more. At first I thought he was going to be bisected vertically and they'd just cut away. But once he is laying down I was all like "where's the wound? wtf actually happened".
     
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    Wouldn't call it a lie, from what he sees in that moment, it feels accurate that the prophecy may have been misinterpreted, but he still clings to the hope that it turns out right in the end. Which makes this twist so powerful, even Yoda felt in Episode 3 they may be on the wrong path and it explains why Obi supported Luke. I mean even Yoda said in RotJ "There is another", looks like Obi and Yoda returned to the ambiguous interpretation of the prophecy.
     
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    Obi-Wan was convinced that Luke was the chosen one after Anakin's fall. Yoda was obviously never convinced based on his interaction with Obi-Wan on Dagobah in his hut.
     
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    Perhaps "lie" was the wrong word. Rather, I think it was another of Obi-Wan's "certain points of view." Just minutes earlier, he tells Ezra that "the truth is often what we make of it." I think that line is there for several reasons: it's advice for Ezra, it's another affirmation of Obi-Wan's methods and philosophy, and it's setting up his Chosen One line. In this case, it's what Maul needs to hear; but the look on Obi-Wan's face shows that he knows it's much more complicated than that.

    But unless more evidence (such as in an Obi-Wan standalone movie please please please) arises, I don't believe that Obi-Wan thinks Luke is the Chosen One.
     
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    I would think he gained so much knowledge and wisdom that he is able to see the Prophecy like something less literal, more of a spark of hope and not pointed to one object. He and Yoda know there is a chance and the next and the next. I mean, look at all those doomsday prophecies around 2000 and how they moved to 2012;), hard to explain. I don't think he stands by the original interpretation of Qui Gon, and Yoda bailed out even earlier then from that interpretation he knew they could have misinterpreted it. I think what made the ending of Maul so powerful, was the little redemption arc, he finally acknowledged, that both of them have been played by the Sith and that he and Obi actually have something in common, an mutual enemy, and we know that an enemy of an enemy could be a friend.
     
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    I really liked this episode. Starting with the Obi Wan Maul "fight" I believe it provided Maul with an end that was appropriate. It was short and sweet. Here is this broken person; physically and mentally, living on anger, rage, and sheer willpower, and yet I believe that he accepted his end and found his peace in the hope that the person Obi Wan was protecting would fulfill the prophecy and give them their due justice. Stephen Stanton and Sam Witwer were phenomenal in this episode and I find myself really impressed by Stanton's voice acting.

    Ezra and Chopper were fine. The fact that Ezra was used by Maul to find Kenobi was certainly interesting as well. I would have preferred a little more time with Maul and Kenobi but it was alright with me in the end. Ezra was the point of view character for this episode so until he found Obi Wan it wouldn't make sense for us to see him first.

    Tatooine looked great and that sand storm was gorgeous. The Tusken Raiders were pretty good too and the Dewback got some screen time as well which is always nice. I also really liked that last shot of Obi Wan watching Luke from a distance with Binary Sunset playing.

    It did leave me with a few lingering questions like how did Obi Wan know Ezra, did Maul go there intending to kill Obi Wan or die at his hands, and is Luke actually the Chosen One from a certain point of view. Regardless, I was very satisfied with this episode and I can't wait for next weeks episodes and season finale.
     
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