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REBELS vs CLONES: Which Has Better Animation?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by Alderaan, Jun 8, 2015.

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Which has better Animation?

Poll closed Jun 13, 2016.
  1. The Clone Wars

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  2. Rebels

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  1. Alderaan

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    IMO, while Rebels Season 1 compares favourably to CW in some areas (e.g. more in consistent tone... more chronologically ordered... OT actors reprising their roles for voice work... etc.) I feel CW is far superior in animation.

    The later seasons of CW were surely some the most beautiful, aesthetically appealing animation ever committed to television:
    The battles... vehicles... the use of shadow and light... the richness and variety of environments... the sheer attention to detail...
    After being spoiled with such a rich visual feast, Rebels looks positively dull and basic in comparison.

    The characters are competently animated for the most part (except for the Wookies in the first episode and Ezra's hair looks like an alien creature with a life of its own at times!)
    The environments are another matter. Part of the problem seems to be that many stories are set on Lothal... Talk about a visually boring planet!
    While I appreciate the nod to McQuarrie's brilliant concept designs, they desperately need to expand beyond conical-shaped mountains, fields of grass and EMPTY highways!
    The interior of 'the Ghost' , which is shown a LOT, is also very bland and lacking in interesting design.

    Yet even on other worlds, the animation remains less impressive than CW.
    Compare for example, Coruscant's depiction. In CW, it really feels like the Centre of the Galaxy; so much activity in every shot... aliens from every species... endless streams of flying traffic... vistas of innumerable skyscrapers stretching as far-and-wide as the eye can see.

    In Rebels, Coruscant felt deserted. I recall one scene in the senate building, there's a window behind an Imperial officer. But they show him from below so that instead of seeing the view outside, all you can glimpse is EMPTY sky!

    There's a gif going round which exposes the extent to which Rebels has scaled back the animation: What at first appears to be a crowded street scene is, on closer inspection, ten versions of the same 5 or 6 characters scattered about in different places! And here I was thinking we were done with 'clones'!

    Given that Rebels isn't just Clone Wars's successor but also its replacement (CW had to end so that the production team could focus on Rebels) comparisons between the two shows are inevitable.
    Moreover, given that Disney - arguably the foremost animation studio in the world - is behind this show, one would expect the animation to get even better if anything!

    I've heard two rumours about WHY the animation has declined. One is budgetary: the multi-billion dollar House of Mouse is saving money by reducing the number of animators.
    The other rumour I've heard is time constraints; Apparently season 1 was rushed through so they could meet the targeted release date.

    Anyway, would be interesting to hear ppl's thoughts on this...
     
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    The clones.
     
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  3. Trevor

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    I always thought "Clones", but I might have to see 'em side by side again to decide definitively.
     
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  4. John Crichton

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    I'm hopeful for the future of Rebels, particularly in the field of animation, but I'm in the "Clones" camp right now.

    Part of it I believe has to do with the texture style they're using. In TCW, everything was pretty gritty, with textures being composed seemingly of brushstrokes at times, which on rare occasions went to the detriment of appearance in my personal view, but overall was wonderfully efficient at creating a sense of detail.

    Rebels in general seems to be less pronounced in terms of texture detail. I mean, I can look and see the level of detail they put into many of the textures (which can be quite a bit actually) but when viewing the show in general all detail seems to wash out into a simple, single-colored texture, or at least it feels like that. The shadows and lighting also seem to be done a bit softer in Rebels, as opposed to the contrast (and thus seeming realism) one could get from TCW.


    Now, I'm fairly certain that some of the possibilities you mentioned for a perceived decline in quality are probably indeed true, but I think they also went a slightly different route in order to mark a departure from one series to the other. The blandness in particular would be to denote the period of the Empire and the lack of indulgence or luxury, the sterility of things like stormtroopers and gray panels. Hence the wild craziness of color and shape with the rebellious Sabine.

    Sometimes those changes seem to work, other times they don't seem to work quite as well. I'm bored of Lothal for instance, but at least it and its fields are done quite beautifully, if a bit different in style than it would've been for TCW.
     
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    Clone wars. I just thought the animation was more serious and dark for the most part! Rebels, and I'm not bashing the show by any means, seems way colorfully gauged towards younglings! Which isn't a bad thing, cause it helps us break in the new generation of Star Wars fans!!;)
     
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    When does rebels go to coruscant? Why not include a poll? I'd vote for clone wars. Rebels looks cheap and terribly designed. Good thing it has a great story.
     
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  7. John Crichton

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    Indeed, a poll would be helpful. @Trevor I forgot if you guys have to do that or the author can add it later.
     
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    I believe that the author can add it afterwards. If not, I can do it! ;)
     
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  9. Alderaan

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    As suggested, I've added a poll...

    Glad I'm not the only one who perceives a decline in animation quality.
    As John Crichton says, there could also be an element of distinguishing the look of one series from another.
    Either way, I hope Disney isn't stinting on the budget and that things improve for S2 and beyond.

    Alex, I can't recall the name of the episode which featured Coruscant. It was fairly brief... There was close-up of the Senate Building (I remember thinking they showed it up-close so they wouldn't have to animate all the surrounding skyscrapers) and then the conversation between imperial officers.

    Speaking of imperial officers, did anyone else notice that Maketh Tua (the female minister of Lothal) appeared in 'Spark of Rebellion' as a completely different character?! She (or at least the same 'avatar' later used for her character) is one of the scared bystanders in the Lothal market when the fruit seller is being harassed near the beginning of episode 1.

    You just never saw those kinds of mistakes in CW, which suggests greater care was taken.
     
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  10. John Crichton

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    Interesting, I had never noticed that. And you are correct, I just took a screencap from the Disney XD viewer from when he's getting harassed:

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    And Maketh for comparison:

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    That's actually pretty funny... they just did a color-swap essentially. To me that points to rushed production and cutting corners more than it does budgeting issues, I think. This is an old trick they did back in the days with the Mortal Kombat ninjas... even Mario and Luigi I think originally.

    Makes me hopeful for the future then, as perhaps Disney will give them more time to do their thing after a successful first season. Oh and, on a somewhat humerous note, I found a version of that first image entitled "Faketh Tua". :p
     
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    No worries, I'll watch the series again at some point. I had a similar feeling with Mustafar. They tease it in the penultimate episode, and reference it in the final episode, but then its just a background object to prevent them from having to create a new world.
     
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    I like Rebels but I really miss TCW animation. I also miss the longer story arcs. The animation style makes males way too long in the torso and too blocky.
     
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    Here's that GIF I mentioned. Pretty cheap of Disney:

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    And its not just this 'attack of the clones'... its the way certain textures are rendered (e.g. Ezra's hair)... its the dull, empty environments (e.g. Lothal) ... its the comparative lack of detail...

    I want to stay positive about this show because it has a lot of potential. And to be fair, its far superior to vast majority of TV animation.
    Nevertheless, having been spoiled with the TCW, its hard to lower one's standards.
    Unless they step up their game in the animation department, Rebels will end up being TCW's poorer cousin (what samsung is to Apple, if you will.)
     
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    Well, biased too much, yes, but CW is superior in everything. Rebels aren't total failure, it is watchable but compared to the Clone Wars,
    it could've been a lot more. That is the strongest weapon and advantage of animated shows vs live acting - you can do anything. Clone Wars showed a pretty much expanded universe of the Star Wars and it was entertaining adventure. Rebels is to me like a re-hash of New Hope, but on only one planet (OK, there were like three and asteroid actually :D ).
     
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    Rebels could be so much better than it is... and this is coming from someone who really likes Rebels.

    I haven't watched much of TCW, but from what I have, I surmise this...

    TCW has far, and I mean FAR superior quality of animation. I understand Rebels is a different style, but even for what it's trying to be, it does at times feel cheap.

    Rebels is way more tonally consistent. It's cheesy, but in a controlled way. The storytelling is much more airtight. I feel the writing has improved from TCW, and given that we've only seen season 1, and there are some great people in command, it should only get better.

    That said, I just don't understand how this is a promising evolution of Star Wars television from a creative standpoint. It feels like a regression. Bias aside, given the fact that I enjoy the post-Revenge of the Sith era to the Clone War Era, I still think TCW, in it's later seasons, was simply a better show.
     
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    Clone Wars did have way better animation and better story. Also, they have never shown Coruscant.
     
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    the Disney animation are too cute and rounded. The clone wars were square and had edge. The laser swords are too thin. The mickey mouse style animation just doesn't fit with the theme of the series. If done correctly there should be much death, the clone wars had an incredibly dark theme and if done properly rebels should have a dark theme as well.
     
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    As a massive Clone Wars fan, this isn't even a contest. BUT, if you look carefully, until they updated the animation for when Darth Maul returned, the animation, notably the feet on ground, somewhat plastic-like colors, is noticeable. Really, it's just because it was newer animation that came and the show is older, but Rebels does benefit having simpler animation by having more fluid motion. That's the best part of Rebels animation so far -fluidity, it's just as great and if not a little better than the last episodes of TCW
     
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    What are you talking about? Coruscant hasn't appeared once in Rebels so far.
     
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    Although I am literally going to start watching Rebels tonight (I just realised that disney XD was available on roku) - and have only been watching the CWs for about a month now (binge watching though) - based on stills of Rebels, I feel it looks too "cartoon-y" whereas the CWs has a more 3D-ish CG look about it. I've been hearing much excitement and overall love for Rebels in the SW podcasts I listen to, so I'm finally jumping on the bandwagon to see what the fuss is all about. It's going to have to be pretty awesome to beat the CWs in my mind, but then again many people seem to love Rebels. So time will tell with me. I do wish Rebels had a more serious look like the CWs does. (but if the stories are great, it's not a big deal, but more of an annoyance)
     
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