SPECULATION Rendemption - Evidence For & Against A Return To Light

@first reason: Hopefully they provide us a story with enough new ideas..
@second reason: Is a story with Chewie killing a completely insane Ren really sthg new or a refreshing plot? I am not sure.

 

if this is seriously all you saw going on in the movie, then i guess it shouldn't surprise me you feel that way.

 

It's not that this was the only thing I saw in the movie FN-3263827. Sometimes I just like to see things from a real persons point of view and not just fantasy. I wonder how you would feel if you deeply loved your wife and your son who was greatly loved by both you and her just happened to want to be evil and joined a gang. In order to be fully accepted by the gang he goes on to kill the wife you so deeply love just to prove he's bad. You are going to happily talk to him and tell him to leave the gang and come back home? Yeah right. You know how much pain and heartbreak you will have inside? Do you have any idea how hard it's going to be for you everyday to have to come to terms with your loneliness and the feeling of emptiness inside you and have to look at your son knowing it was he who destroyed your life? Even if your sons reasons were infact more serious like killing your wife because he was involved with the mafia or whatever, that would not change the way you would feel towards the brutal way your son killed your wife. Some people never recover from this and others can never forgive such an act so apparently what I saw in the movie really does go much deeper than what you give me credit for having seen my friend.

 

i don't understand the point of watching a fantasy movie from the point of view of anything but fantasy, but okay.
you say what you saw in the movie really goes much deeper, and yet there are your words:
"crybaby dork Vader wannabe", "jerk son" who "wanted to be evil."
that's a really superficial assessment of who Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is.

and please don't presume to know me. you have no idea who or what i may have lost and forgiven in my lifetime.
when i say i have no problem forgiving Ren Ben for killing Han, i'm not making that statement glibly.
you are free to feel otherwise (and clearly you do), but allow that i know my own heart.

 

Dude you taking this discussion too are blowing this way out of proportion for my liking. First off even if I say that Kylo Ren is a jerk, dork ect that just wants to be evil, you have nothing concrete to say I'm wrong but just your opinion. We haven't seen anything else and what TFA showed us was the Ben had a loving family who didn't have anything bad Anakinlike happen to him in order to justify him just wanting to be evil. Until episode 8 or 9 proves me wrong then my comment based on what we saw in the movie has more solid ground than you seeing something else that the movie didn't show.

Second if you are going to feed me a line about ''please don't presume to know me'' you should have thought a little more before posting me your smug reply ''if this is seriously all you saw going on in the movie, then i guess it shouldn't surprise me you feel that way.'' You don't know anything about me either and have no idea what I've gone through or how many loved ones I have lost at the hands of jerks who were just trying to prove they were cool or bad. Learn to respect others points of view as they don't have to mirror your own. The OP asked for an opinion and I simply gave my own. You could have debated with me in a more friendly way instead of trying to degrade me with your comment.

 

Guys this is just the OP asking for your opinion on things. Try not to get personal and just keep it friendly. We can't go insulting or criticizing someone just because they say things like Luke is cooler than Han or Greedo shot first.

 

Take a look at this video:

That's a big hint why he turned to the dark side. => His family was a reason for his turn.
So much for him being a jerk that just wants to be evil...

 

My friend you are using the opinion of someone who just posted his opinion on youtube to try to make that seem as legit? Until we see any evidence in a movie it really doesn't matter what anybody says.

The essential guides had more info that was legit and was more fact than any video a random youtube user could make and that still didn't stop Lucas from running over things like where did R2-D2 and C-3PO come from or Boba Fett being Jaster Mereel. Until you see it in a movie then there is no evidence to say that anything said by anyone INCLUDING people from Lucasfilm can be taken as a fact as they had once said that The Force Unleashed was canon and now look to see if that's true.

Unless it gets to the big screen it is all fun speculation.

 

silly Ninjabean Ren ~ Adam Driver and JJ Adams don't know anything about Star Wars!!!

i can't believe that just happened. time to call it a night for me, folks. hahaha

 

I agree with you and though I can't say for sure, I even think it was George Lucas himself who said TFU was canon. Theories have always come and gone but unless it is shown in one of the movies then we can't take it seriously. If memory serves me right, TESB had lots of controversy as many fans debated that the other Skywalker Yoda was talking about was either Han or Lando. Many theories were thrown around but we all saw how the movie proved them all wrong. We will just have to wait and see if the two remaining saga movies justify Ben's reasons for wanting to be evil.

 

The actor of Kylo Ren himself says one reason for his character's turn was his family and then the director confirms this by "these parents aren't there enough to guide him". That's more than an opinion...

 

Come on FN-3263827 you are just dragging this on. The video proves nothing as it is just the opinion Adam Driver has on the movie that we already saw. To this moment nothing concrete has been said or shown. Take a look at this scene:

Do you think that Mark Hamil and Carrie Fisher knew everything that was going on with their characters? Having kissed Luke once on Hoth and then in this scene without any knowledge that is was going to be cut, if interviewed, what do you think they would have said? That maybe their characters might end up together for sure. Had JJ been the one who was going to direct all three SW movies than I can say that Maybe Adam would know more but seeing that this is not the case then I'm pretty sure even he has no clue about where his character will go just as Mark and Carrie had no clue back in the OT.

 

I'm seriously torn apart between laughing and crying. That's a case of a parallel universe of some kind to be sure.

 

He could become a lonely moisture farmer on Jakku at the end .

 

It still counts as an opinion my friend just as Mark Hamil himself said many things before knowing Luke was Leia's brother. He now even jokes about it.

 

Well, I am laughing pretty hard. There must be a joke in here somewhere.

 

Sorry for arriving late to the Ren-demption party!

Fine with me!!

Yeah, knowing the Princess perspective I do not think she would have had embraced the "Skywalker" that much a year after Endor. It could be anyway but not sure.

Alas, we millennials living in a bubble...

We have discussed previously in other threads how perspective can affect the opinion we have about things.

We might despise Kylo because he killed Han. We do not care that much about the younglings or Lor San Tekka, but we do care about Han.

Han killed Greedo. We do not care about it because our emotional involvement with Greedo was zero. Also he seemed to be a nasty mediocre bounty hunter..

Luke, with his one-in-a-million shot, killed a lot of people on the Death Star. We are supposed to despise them because they were part of the Empire and the Death Star was going to blow Yavin to bits. But for their friends and family, it is a loss.

I daresay in the end Chewie has the higher ground. LOL.

Please, my friends, this kind of discussion does not help. Everyone has their opinion and that is fine. What it is not fine is to mess with each other just because they do not think like us, or make it personal. We all come from different backgrounds and have different opinions, and I guess this is what makes the Star Wars fandom so special.

The Great Wipe post-2014 says otherwise. TFU is no longer canon.