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SPOILER Restoring the PT's Archive Memory: A Spoiler, Script & Novel Discussion

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Lord of the Rens, Aug 25, 2016.

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Do spoilers enhance your Star Wars experience?

  1. Absolutely! A day without spoilers is like a day without sunshine.

    36.4%
  2. Sometimes. Depends on if I like the spoiler or not.

    40.9%
  3. No. I take films as they are and never wonder what might have been.

    22.7%
  1. Lord of the Rens

    Lord of the Rens Jedi General

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    A long time ago, on msg boards far, far away....

    Internet-Spoilers were created by a wise, Dark Lord of the Sith and the movie industry would never be the same again. From the small mining world of Mustafar in the Outer Rim to the wrecked Senate Rotunda on the city-planet of Coruscant, images and plot-details were leaked, minds were blown and many 4Chan-related bans happened.

    Over a decade has passed and now, Twitter has made matters worse. Desperate for clarity regarding the creation of the PT, a group of dedicated posters have started sifting through the rubble of the crumbled Republic and the ghost town called Skywalker Ranch in an effort to rediscover the lost nuggets of spoiler-filled information.

    Welcome, to the Script, Spoiler and Novel Discussion Thread.

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    Shall we begin? Coruscant: Darth Maul (in Holographic form!) and Palpatine's stroll on the balcony was the first TPM-scene filmed and Maul's lines were on par almost the same as in the novel. But, Ray Park's accent wasn't a great fit for a Star Wars character, so the dialog was trimmed and Peter Serafinowicz was hired to do the voice over. Lucas sat in the booth with Pete and his only directions were: "Just make him evil. Just make him sound real evil.”

    Worth noting, Sidious lost 3 lines as well:
    DARTH SIDIOUS : You have been well trained, my young apprentice, they will
    be no match for you. It is too late for them to stop us now. Everything is
    going as planned. The Republic will soon be in my command.

    The hologram of DARTH MAUL fades off as DARTH SIDIOUS looks out over the city.


    Tatooine:
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    Originally, Darth Maul followed Qui-Gon onto the ramp of Padme's ship but this was omitted in post production.
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    Storyboard elements that remain, are Qui-Gon's collapse back into the hatch and Maul standing up from the fall to watch as the ship departs.

    The Phantom Menace Comic offers a slightly different take:
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    At Theed, Maul was onto the Jedi doing more than their mandate allowed, but Sidious dismissed this. The novel portrays him as being more insightful and slightly more talkative. Also, Ray had the saber in the correct position when Ewan Kenobi did the force-powered, finger-tip leap... yet in the final cut, the saber is in the wrong hand the other mitt.
    Tags, as promised + a couple more:
    ((@Admiral Petty @BobaFettNY21 @Laggamaroo @kb93 @FN-3263827 @Star Dude @Darth Malkovich @master_shaitan @Grand Master Galen Marek ))
     
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    Am I mis-remembering or did that bit where Maul jumps onto the ramp of the ship with Qui Gon make it into one of the trailers? I'm almost sure I've seen it somewhere.
     
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    I think it did. I feel like I've seen it too. Was it in the Playstation game?
     
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    That's from the second link there. That exchange is alluded to in the now non-canon Darth Plagueis novel, so it must have been considered canon for good while after the movie.
     
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  5. Lord of the Rens

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    Interesting fact:
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    Darth Maul created the click-bait msg by splicing clips together.
    What's funny there; in that Cantina-free quote, is the OP totally overlooked what both Jedi said about the msg.

    OBI-WAN : It's a trick. Send no reply... Send no transmission of any kind.

    QUI-GON : It sounds like bait to establish a connection trace.

    ***

    ((And for the record, this thread is free from the canon/Legends discussion....
    we are looking at all of the story elements, the films, old books, graphic novels, comics, etc.))
     
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    Nice digging skills @Lord of the Rens.

    I didn't realise this about the final lightsaber duel with Maul. I think I may have preferred this version to be honest.

     
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    Thanks @kb93 !

    I think I said as much, many years ago.... and I hope I warned ya'll.
    That things were gonna be different.
    :p

    Warning:
    Sarcasm Alert:
    Apart from the Qui-Gon falls in the pit twice, I also preferred that version over Kenobi's fingertips appearing to have a stronger force connection than the chosen one's legs. But I digress. We'll make time for that later...

    EDIT: Most of my TPM info was Maul centered. Currently digging for (some very specific) AotC tidbits..
    We'll get into Hego Damask, Darth SifoDyas and the Clone Army soon enough.
    ;)
     
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    And finally, my last TPM nugget...
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    took a week to sift through a couple thousand images to find this panel.​
     
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    Did they cut some scenes of the duel of Obi Wan-Qui Gon x Maul when the movie was released in VHS and DVD? In that time I had the impression that the version in the theather was a little bit longer than the VHS that I bougth. But I am almost sure that I made that up in my mind or maybe it was a dream...hahaha
     
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    The Phantom Menace deleted scenes :).
     
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    There was additional footage that was leaked after the film release, it was not high res though. Best way to confirm would be to check the run times... the blurays have all sorts of new cgi crap all over, so what do I know.
     
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    THIS WEEK:
    (HOPEFULLY)

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    AotC -The Chronicles of Sifo Dyas & the Clone Army

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    RotS - Vader's betrayal: what was, what is & what could have been

    EDIT: After 10 days of searching, I finally found the AOTC pages that was looking for. We will mosdef have the "Sido Dyas" discussion this week. The domain expired; but that did not deter me... so gimme another hour or so to get my post ready.
     
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    Here it is.....

    The lost footage, I mean.


    Told you it was.... grainy.
    /Snark
     
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    YOU GOT ME :mad: .
     
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    Same, but I was expecting the force sprint off the edge clip.

    The whole time I was searching for a difference and couldn't find one till the end :).
     
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    And its a doozy, isn't it. That ending.
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    ;)
     
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    Are you sure?
     
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    MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW

    If you have not seen AOTC

    CLOSE THIS PAGE

    You were warned, now I'm going to ruin your childhood. Before the Dark Times, before Das Jennir and the Uhumele crew, there was no Jedi named Sifo Dyas.... there was only a Sith Lord named Darth Sidious. A typo in the first draft of the script led to lamest back story the GFFA has ever seen. Or something. From the Secret History of Star Wars ( and a few other msg boards) this is the story of how the Clone army was originally supposed to be ordered.

    The name "Sido-dyas" was at first a place holder in the script. A printing mistake turned it into Sifo-dyas and Lucas liked it. He wanted who ordered the clones to be clear to the audience but not too obvious.

    From the Secret History of Star Wars:

    In the original version of the film, however, things are much simpler: here is no Sifo-Dyas. Rather, Sidious himself orders the clones using an alias; there are no ties to a former Jedi who actually existed, and no mystery about how a Jedi could have placed an order. The shooting script introduces the issue:


    Here, the mystery man is named Sido-Dyas. While claiming to be a Jedi, there is in fact no such person:




    OBI-WAN (V.O.)

    ...I've never heard of a Jedi
    called Sido-Dyas, have you, Master?


    MACE WINDU

    No. Whoever placed that order was
    not a Jedi, I can assure you.



    OBI-WAN (V.O.)

    I have a strong feeling that this
    bounty hunter is the assassin
    we're looking for.


    YODA

    Who he is working for... discover
    that, you must.


    OBI-WAN (V.O.)

    I will, Master, and I will also
    find out more about this clone
    army... May The Force...


    The hologram switches off, and OBI-WAN fades away.

    WINDU

    A clone army! Ordered by someone
    in the Senate perhaps... Someone's
    out to start a war.


    YODA

    Inform the chancellor of this, we
    must.

    WINDU

    Who do you think this impostor
    Sido-Dyas, could be?


    That the Jedi do not comment on any of these issues, nor act upon them (as Revenge of the Sith implies--it seems as though they must have forgotten about them, since the audience requires a resolution yet none is given) is quite strange. Yoda says, "meditate on this, I will," but all he does is go to Kamino and take the mysterious clone army for himself to use.

    Finally, solving the riddle seems quite easy. The clone army was ordered ten years earlier. Dooku, as it happens, left the Jedi order ten years earlier. Dooku is now part of the Seperatists, and a Sith as is revealed by the end. The most basic explanation then is that Dooku joined the Sith, ordered the clones using Sifo-Dyas' name (possibly even killed him), erased Kamino from the archives, left the Jedi order and spearheaded the Seperatist threat. This then raises its own set of questions, like why are the Seperatists building an army for the Republic, and why they would go through the trouble of placing the order in the name of the Jedi instead of simply getting it made for themselves?


    However, the final film had some of these elements added in pick up shooting that complicated this plot much more from its original form--more than Lucas was ready to address, it seems. In the original script--and the original edit of the film--things are much simpler: there is no Sifo-Dyas. Rather, Sidious himself orders the clones using an alias; there are no ties to a former Jedi who actually existed, and no mystery about how a Jedi could have placed an order.



    http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/secrethistoryofstarwars.com/sifo-who.html
    -If you follow the link, you find all sorts of goodies. Kenobi even asked if Yoda thought it possible that Dooku could be posing as Sifo Dyas. There is a great Darth line in there somewhere. Hope you enjoy!

    The name Sido-Dyas was too obvious, at least for the audience’s sake—Lucas wanted the identity to be kept a mystery, but you wouldn’t need a Ph.D to realise that Sido-Dyas is just a variation on Sidious. Instead, Lucas re-wrote dialog in pick-up scenes to not only drift the name further away from the Sidious origin, but to throw audiences off the trail by asserting that this character actually existed and was personally known to the protagonists of the film. It seems, however, that Lucas was not quite prepared to deal with all the issues he raised in making this change, as the central mystery of Attack of Clones basically remains unacknowledged.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3rkfnu/is_sifodyas_a_sloppy_mistake/
     
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    No, we got an answer in The Clone Wars. The Clone Wars answered alot of PT-related questions and closed a number of loose threads.
     
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    True: from a certain point of view.:) But we aren't talking about Sifo Dyas.;)

    IIRC: The articles were penned from a movie only perspective... and TSHOSW was written well before the Clone Wars got off the ground. In the first draft, Sido Dyas (per Mace Windu) did not exist. Like Kamino in the Archives.lol

    That's why I said I'm ruining childhoods.
    :p
     
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