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Rewatching Revenge of the Sith

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Fallon Tagge, Oct 16, 2014.

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    Anakin's fall should have been portrayed since Episode 2. I mean, a REAL fall, so to have the Episode 3 showing a fully charged Empire, with a not-yet-masked Darth Vader hunting the Jedi and a "Ben" Kenobi (remember? he used that name BEFORE Luke went to the world) on the run to make his apprentice turn back to the light side. We could have had the opportunity to see the birth of the Alliance (Bail, Ackbar, Mon Mothma... everyone should have been introduced in Ep2, and I mean INTRODUCED, not just shown on the background), the Clone Wars in their peak of violence, and the betrayal of Palpatine with no much politics or filler scenes.
     
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    I have actually never though of it this way. I love this!!
     
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    You know I don't like the Mustafar Saber fight. It's the definition of over the top. They're fighting inside of a volcano with fire everywhere, and theyre jumping around sword fightin. Then at the very end when Anakin gets his legs chopped off, he suddenly bursts into flames like some kind of spontaneous combustion. Like he sweats gasoline or something. Like his legs were the only thing keeping him from combusting the whole time. I just can't watch it. The rest of the prequels I tolerate but that, I just cant. Too much. The Yoda Palpatine fight is not as bad, but close.
     
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    Funnily enough, I feel the opposite. I can handle the Obi Wan/Anakin fight for the most part, even with its weak points, but Palpatine makes so many silly faces whenever he fights in that movie that it's really difficult for me take it seriously.
     
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    Ha! Yeah it was pretty ridiculous. Thats another thing that bothered me was Yoda was a frail old frog man thing, but all of the sudden he was jumping around doing flips. Im like why does he even need a cane if he can do that.
     
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    He was using Force to augment his fight, to speed him up. I do not think a Jedi can channel the force like that all day everyday. They did overdo it in the movies but it was pretty cool when Sideous cut down those 3 Jedi. You have to picture them channeling the force to enhance their fight ability. If you think of it in real human terms it really is out there.
     
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    Yes of course the force explains everything in the prequels. It's just ridiculous. Yoda was a cerebral fighter not an acrobat. At least that's the way he should've been portrayed.
     
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    Agreed. People like to wash over ROTS because of the lightsaber fights, but.....meh.

    Anakin and Obi-Wan's is real good and then just gets a bit too much once they're outside. If that was edited down it would be awesome.
    Palpy & Yoda is good only when they both lose their lightsabers and their just hurling stuff at one another like great sorcerers - which is what they are.
     
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    I think a Force battle between Sidious and Yoda, if done well, could have worked. Plus, it could have been the fruition of what Dooku said in AOTC about "this contest being decided" by knowledge of the Force. Who needs lightsabers when you're as powerful as Yoda and Sidious are?
     
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    I enjoy rewatching the Palpy/Ani opera scene at least 10 times during a viewing.
     
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    I personally find the film just incredibly boring. I don't know how it's possible but it feels both overly long and rushed at the same time, I guess it's down to the fact that everything is "so dense". It's tiring to watch. Think I've seen it maybe three times? Four at a push but definitely wasn't all the way through.

    The galaxy-spanning Order 66 last about 3 seconds; the one-to-one Anakin/Obi duel lasts around 17 hours of glow-stick raving; Anakin turns evil quicker than I can decide upon a side-sauce for my steak; the clone battles move from planet to planet without really ever establishing where they are and why; we yet again have to get to know yet another new villain who is some robot lizard with bronchitis and does... evil? People moan that Rogue One jumped from planet to planet, but they all felt different and each served a separate purpose. Plus they were all literally named. I can barely name any of those in Revenge of the Sith (and the ones I can is only from expanded media). Was the giant lizard planet the same as the bridge planet? Is that the same as the magical garden planet? How do the three legged walkers move the front leg?

    In particular I hate the Return of the King-style loose-ends tie ups; for a start I feel the Vader transformation shouldn't have even been shown (I'm sure many will disagree). He should have been collected by the Emperor and left at that... that way we're hypothetically left to wonder what happened next. Yes, I know we all know what Vader looks like, hell everyone knows what Vader looks like, but that doesn't mean the story needs it spelled out with the explicit "here is Anakin going into the suit" scene. Without this scene, it's left ambiguous from a narrative perspective as to how he's going to survive if one was to watch without knowing any Star Wars in episodic order. Watch A New Hope (or Rogue One nowadays) next and the story presents you with the tragic result the moment we see Vader and this then leaves Obi Wan's story about Luke's father a bit more of a well-meaning fable that better sets up both Luke and the audience's discovery of his identity in Empire Strikes Back.

    As a couple of others have said, another annoying gripe I have is I don't understand why Padme's death couldn't have been dying from child birth or even having her diagnosed with a terminal illness earlier in the film. It doesn't require a reworking of anything in the script or plot, Anakin's plight to save her would be the same, except it improves the awful died-of-a-broken-heart fairy-tale nonsense and replaces it with a justifiable tragic threat.

    Likewise, why have her name the children? Again this spoils the identity discovery of the siblings in the original trilogy if viewed in episodic order. Having the literal naming of the children scene just undermines the journeys of the onscreen-characters that also spoils any fun of discovery for the viewer. They know Empire Strikes Back's reveal two movies earlier. They know Return of the Jedi's reveal three movies earlier. Why would any story-teller want to do that?

    Whilst I'm moaning, this is a personal gripe that stems from the fact that (and I know it wasn't movie-canon) prior to this film, Republic Commando had just come out and made the Super Battle Droids seriously horrifying to run into. They were lumbering speechless monstrosities that vocalised discordant noises & sinister battle assessments and dealt swift death to anyone skipping past in white plastic, yet when they finally appeared in their starring scene in this movie they're clumsy walking filing-cabinets sparring dopey banter with one another.



    And I can't believe that someone wrote, while another filmed, as others watched, a human-being actually saying the line "Love can't save you, Padme. Only my new powers can."

    The end of ROTS may have the fan service that feels most the Star Warsy out of the prequels, but it's all just fluff that just so needlessly makes it look like no-one did anything with their lives for nearly 20 years. The droids go and live happily ever after on the Tantive IV for two decades? Both Obi Wan and Yoda immediately go live out in the wilderness of terrible planets and... er... binge-watch Netflix and learn new musical instruments I assume? The Empire is now fully decked out with their hot-off-the-press SS uniforms and thousands of individual non-clone staff members - even though an hour ago their entire military seemed to solely consist of Jedi and Clones?

    Still at least we finally saw Alderaan. For half a minute. We'll forever mourn that one bench we saw knowing it only had 19 years left to be sat on before turning into intergalactic kindling.
     
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    When I go to my friends how they to react the Obi Wan/Anakin duel, they failed miserably, wrecking the room.
     
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    The thing I learnt from Episode 3 is that the Naboo people age backwards. (Or seem to)

    In Episode 1, Padmé Amidala starts the trilogy as a strong, powerful, wise 14 year old Queen. And nobody questions it.

    In Episode 2, ten years later, she's no longer Queen after using up her maximum 8 years in the office and has been Senator of the Chommel sector for two years. She's not as wise, is more selfish and makes lots of mistakes and gets herself in trouble and danger, just like a child. Then at the end she marries a serial killer which is an act of teenage rebellion or early dementia.

    In Episode 3, Padmé has been knocked up by her secret Jedi husband and throughtout the pregnancy, slowly loses her marbles and the ability to converse with words greater than two syllables. She is at most, a background character that quietly sits on sofas or brushes her hair like an old lady. After popping out the prodigal twins, she then snuffs it after losing the will to live, similar to a mood tantrum like a toddler.
     
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    It's more complex than this, @SKB... it seems in this GFFA all is aging reversely : the technology (Anakin's podracer touch-panel vs Vader's belt box, for example), the physics (DS firing on Jedha vs Alderaan's explosion)...
    ... only that facetious Obi Wan did the reverse of the reverse, as he jumped from 34 years old to 63 in 20 years only. Stewjonians are jokers :)

    #iamyournitpicker #findtheplotholes #makegeorgelucasgreatagain #ifindyourlackofconsistencydisturbing
     
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    I also could not get past the "meh-factor", and I soo tried, as I think a lot of us did.
    Sooo ... I ended up doing something about it. The Prequel Trilogy that is.
    Didn't mean to, just was gonna mess about, but curiosity got the best of me.

    It's STILL a matter of taste, but I did what I could.
    And kinda feel like I'm a bad person for keeping these to myself -
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B37jrYBE21mwWmtiakVoYVV4eXc

    What can I say .. I like puzzles.
     
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    This movie felt like "Connect the Dots" with all the plots. They shove this plot in your face causing another plot to pop up out of the surface and so the movie drags on.
     
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    It did, it most certainly did :D
     
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    Well, I am probably going to have some strong disagreement, but ROTS is actually one of my favorite SWs films. For granted, I do not like TPM or ATC, but ROTS to me is a flawed, yet wonderful film. I still believe that the book is superior(it is my favorite SWs novel, check it out :) ). But that movie to me did so much.

    GOOD

    1) It had a kickass opening sequence with ships and a massive battle. I especially loved watching that after the Clone Wars microseries( we SHOULD have seen Sasee Tin hijacking a Star-destroyer). And the dialogue, minus the Anakin, Padme stuff, wasn't as cringey.

    2) The story I genuinely enjoyed. This is a Republic on the verge of collpase and seeing the war take an immense toll on the Jedi was fantastic. If anything, this movie makes me PISSED. Furious, that the other two were so weak. Because, imagine order sixty-six, had the characters been more compelling? A lot more impactful right? And the Darth Plaugeis scene with Palpatine was excellent. The best scene in the franchise as it expanded the mythos, something that Luceno's book does amazingly well. I consider that canon in my head. It is that good.


    3) McGregor and Christensen: McGregor was always great, but this movie I was like, "Yup, he is Obi-wan" And the proof is in the pudding as I know plenty of PT haters who want to see him come back. Hayden clearly was trying, but it is hard to power through awful dialogue. I mean Samuel L Jackson looked bad. I also liked Anakin's frustrations with the Jedi Order. I actually found it brave that GL depicted them as such cultist, dogmatists.

    It actually proves the point of glorification and how we tend to romanticize about the past, but neglecting the awful elements.


    4) The worlds: Coruscant, Kashyssk, Utapau, Mustarfar. This movie introduced so many cool, unique worlds. Each of which I can easily see existing in the mythos and want to see back. And while the CGI sucks(we will get to that), the background designs are still impressive. And the aesthetic of the PT is really cool.


    BAD

    1) Awfully paced: This movie needed a serious rewrite. Rereading the book, I noticed so many cool stuff cut out. Mace Windu and Yoda's conversations are a lot more believable and Palpatine's justification to make the Republic the Empire is a lot less stupid.

    2)The CGI: Much as I hate to admit it; the CGI for the movie has horribly dated. GL, I honestly thought that it wouldn't age as badly. But CGI ages a lot faster due to how rapidly advancing it was. And really, had there been some more practical effects and they were better blended, the movie would have been great visually.

    3) Cringey Dialogue: Some of the dialogue is man, really bad. I mean, painful. The Anakin and Padme stuff was just awful. And really, Padme was just never good a character in this movie. And she is Leia's mother?! TCW did a much better job showcasing her as a complex character. And Hayden's lines during his fight with Obi-wan are bad.

    4) Grevious: This pissed me off. I get why he was coughing, but come on! The Microseries depicted him as the Terminator with Lightsabers. Terminator. With. Lightsabers! That should have been kept. It goes to my point that these movies needed to do what TCW did: FOCUS ON THE CLONE WARS.


    VERDICT

    ROTS to me is a flawed movie. There is a lot one can pick apart and I won't defend those aspects. But on a thematic level and those first two parts, I enjoyed. It is on my top five list for a reason. But I will never fault those people who hate it. Because, really, the PT isn't very good. At least, I found one decent movie.
     
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    Isn't the book considered not to be canon anymore? I think it's not but Im not sure. (r2-d2)
     
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