Rey and Kylo's force connection.

So, again, it adds nothing to the saga because that is exactly what Vader did.

That story’s been told.

This adds nothing new, and definitely nothing positive to the Skywalker mythology.

So, again, my question is- other than money, why call the films sequels at all?

 

They’re dealing with the legacy of Vader. Right now we’re seeing the bad things that live on. Come the end, we will see how the bad legacy is reversed:

- The people working for the FO will renounce it - reversing the Imperial machine Vader helped create.
- The Jedi that were wiped out will return, stronger than ever.
- And a reversal of the Anakin/Padme story will be what saves the galaxy.

 

Exactly! Thank you.

 

Thanks! And I meant “come the end” not “can’t me the end” - iPhone typing!!

 

Yeah I think it is a shame that people think there must be romance in this trilogy, and that so many would rather see her end up with Kylo (you know, the guy who killed his own father) than say Finn.

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And everything else you mentioned was technically already achieved in the last trilogy.

So, again, this trilogy adds nothing

 

It sounds like you really hate the sequel trilogy. What story would you have told?

 

For some reason I can't remember, but does Rey and Kylo force connect after Snoke is dead? Like during the scene when Rey moves the rocks for the Resistance. If so...interesting.

 

They connect when Rey is boarding the falcon at the end, and she closes the door on him.

 

Considering that this trilogy is supporting a rape fantasy for those fans who can't deal with Rey being romantically involved with a black man, I can understand why someone would hate this trilogy. This whole Rey/Ren Force connection is nothing more than about supporting racism and rape fantasies.

What the hell are you talking about? If you're talking about Rey and Kylo Ren, then I'm going to leave the room and throw up.

 

So we’re sadomasochists and racists for supporting the idea of the established story of ReyBen?

Daisy Ridley said they were like siblings. John Boyega said that they never played it as a romance. Mark Hamill said the ReyBen story was a romance.

I’d have no issue whatsoever with a mixed race relationship. And perhaps something will come from Rey and Finn’s relationship - and this is what Ben will accept? I don’t know. But what I do know is that ReyBen was established in TFA and has nothing to do with rape or racism and everything to do with compassion. You’ll be arguing next that those who supported Luke redeeming his father are into abusive parental relationships.

Yes, my view is that instead of trying to possess and own Rey, Ben’s love for her will mean he lets her go because that is right for her. That’s what I’m talking about.

 

The mind-bridge really helps give Star Wars back its OT mystery, I thought it was terrific.

Snoke set in motion something that can't now be easily stopped. Further, Rey and Kylo seemed uniquely drawn to each other in a way that surpasses what Snoke says he did. They always have been.

Snoke could be lying about how much of a hand he had in this. For one thing, he doesn't seem to really see what's going on very clearly or he'd have known that Kylo meant to kill him. We don't really know how clearly Rey and Kylo can read each other, either. Unlike Rey's Force vision, we don't see what they see. And we know the link persists past Snoke's death. In parallel, the dice persist for a short time after Luke's passing. I think this mind-link is going to be permanent, unlike the dice.

Rey could also apparently perceive a future for Kylo that he himself was not aware of. How is this possible? What are they tapping in to? It's almost as if they're accessing a different entity other than their own minds. A receptacle or reservoir of all thought, or maybe the Force itself.

All of this was done in a very cinematically striking way, and lI'm excited to see what could happen to these two in IX. The mind-bridge- and the mirror- get away from the ever-more-powerful weaponry and into some truly strange and mysterious stuff, and in that way is far more like the OT than the PT, or TFA. I love it!

 

They didn’t force Skype again, they looked at each other

 

No, it was a ForceSkype. It had the same sound effect before it happened as the others did, and also from inside the Resistance base cave where he was, Ben couldn't possibly have seen Rey with his own eyes on the Falcon on top of the cliff outside.

 

Snoke clearly states he created the bond between Kylo Ren and Rey. Some folks really have a certain agenda stating or assuming otherwise.

 

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I am a Reylo supporter,
Am I a racist now?....I should hope not.

I like Finn as a character but never saw him as a love interest for Rey.
Not because he's black but because I never saw any chemistry between them.
This is just my opinion though, many will not agree with me and that's okay.

Just respect the opinions of others even though their opinion makes you want to puke.

Rey's and Ben's force connection is still quite a mystery in this movie.
Why are they so strongly tied to each other?
It can go many ways, and that's what makes it so interesting.
Either they end up being siblings/family or become romantically involved (or not), we'll just have to wait and see.

 

I don't really understand where you draw the conclusion that Reylo fans are per definition racists.

I just happen to "LIKE" Adam Driver okay?!
Sue me!

 

Or Snoke never actually died which is why the connection continued to exist.

 

Most people saw chemistry between Rey and Finn. It was the biggest reason for TFA's success. If it wasn't obvious Daisy and Boyega would never have received questions about their relationship. Even the racists saw it.
Rian Johnson created something that made no sense, and for a guy who played fast and loose with the force I wouldn't accept anything he says.
Reylo is not based on mutual cooperation or understanding, but more so about arrogance, and elitism. No one can change anyone. You live long enough you know that. So why introduce something in a movie and call it beautiful when in actuality is a nightmare in the real world?
People change when they themselves want to change. Finn made a change in the first movie for the better, but it can't be about him and what he can do....No. We are waiting for the white guy to change. That's more important than Finn, the stormtroopers, and their families who obviously didn't have the power to stop the FO from taking their children. The movie won't conclude in trying to save them, but trying to save an elitist that looks down upon others, because of his heritage.

 

I always thought that Snoke's death came way too easy, almost like it was planned.
But of course I can read too much into it and that he is just, well....dead.

Even so, a little bit of a back story about him would have been nice.
Maybe the future movies will still elaborate about it.

 

Honestly, I am happy they killed him. He was going to fall into the infamous category of "Weak Villains" nobody cares about. However, I would not mind a second plot twist for IX in which he never really died and he was just using the force hologram like Luke.