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SPECULATION REY: "I'm no one." Odysseus said the same thing to the Cyclops Polyphemus in the ODYSSEY

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by WeWhoSurvived, Oct 21, 2015.

  1. Jimba Fett

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    I totally agree with you on this. I think not knowing ones own identity is a common theme in the star wars saga. I think the big three Finn,Rey and Kylo Ren will all share this common dilemma. For Finn it seems his whole existence that once had purpose is now gone and it seems about finding out who he is and where his place is in the world. He too finds himself alone in the desert. I agree with you on Rey. I like your bit about searching for identity as much as things in the past. I think Kylo Ren like Finn has been brought up by the The First order to be trained and indoctrinated. I think Snoke and the leaders of the first order take children who are force sensitives and train them as stormtroopers. I believe the Knights of Ren are the offspring of former jedi. I think Vader is Kylo ren's Grandfather. I don't believe he has any idea about his true heritage only that Vader is worshipped by them like a deity. I think the Knights of Ren in particular have been told lies about him. I bet they don't know he was a former jedi and that he sacrificed/found redemption. I'm sure they think Luke killed him. When kylo ren finally discovers the truth it will hit him extremely hard. His religion and the concept he has of himself will come tumbling down on top of him. I also think truth and myth making lies will be a theme in this story. When Rey in the trailer asks han about the stories and he says they are all true. The lightside will be about truth and the darkside as always will be about lies, deception and deceit. The first order will believe they are right, that they are part of a righteous cause (Like finn did) and the Knights of Ren, gallant heroes that will restore peace and order to the galaxy. They will be told the jedi are evil....
     
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    And when the cyclops is asked, "Who did this?"

    Cyclops replies, "Nobody."


    Does this mean something to this trilogy?
     
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    I think so, that's why I posted this and described how. If you don't think so, I'm cool with that.
     
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    oh no, i fully agree! Who do you think the cyclops could represent?
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 22, 2015, Original Post Date: Oct 22, 2015 ---
    EDIT: I re-read and you say KR is The Cyclops...but why do you think that, besides physically?!!
     
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    The entire First Order. Possibly Snoke, if he has
    KR isn't the only Cyclops. The entire FO and the KOR ... in fact, all who are represented by a single eye visor, as I described, including Phasma may be recognized as Cyclops. But it may not be a definition confined to just people or aliens. It could potentially represent the Starkiller weapon, just as the Death Star had one massive eye. So, if Starkiller indeed has one massive eye (though some may not call it an eye), you could call it a Cyclops, or the weapon of the Cyclopes (plural). But think ... if that "eye" is "blinded," can it catapult anything? Can it fire? Nope. Likely not a goddam thing. Blinded Cyclops. The whole damn planet is blinded. Oh, and possibly Snoke, if he has one eye, too (figurative or literal), you could call him a Cyclops perhaps, but to date we don't know what his final character design and attire/armour will be. So the only thing I'm suggesting is a figurative Cyclopes. But it might not end at Cyclopes ...

    One group of Cyclopes were sons of Uranus and Gaia. ANOTHER group of Cyclopes were the sons of Poseidon. Poseidon's weapon was THE TRIDENT. Ring any bells?

    Check out Wikipedia's second paragraph of "Cyclops." It describes a tantalizing vision of potential weapons the Cyclopes provide and/or operate that might be available for JJ et al to pull from mythology:


    In the meantime, I'm also waiting for any hint or leak of CARBON FREEZING, then I can start tapping Medusa and possibly other myths where characters are turned to stone, statues or captured by paralyzation.

    Also, it just so happens Third Eye Blind is my favorite band. :p
     
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    Hi all. I'm new here, first post..
    I personally think it is much more simple. I think by the tone of Maz Kanata's question, she feels through the force that Rey is special and important.
    I suspect Rey knows herself she is a Skywalker but is untrusting and trying to hide her identity but is also humble which would explain her response.
    BUT, after listening carefully i don't think the lines are from the same conversation, so could be very wrong!.
     
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    Which ones exactly? Why do you think it represent the entire FO?
     
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    OMG, yeah, it might be literal. "Who are you?" might be answered by another line in the film and the "I'm no one" line might be from elsewhere in the film when she's taken captive. We will definitely have to see about this. Totally right about the potential non-linear mosaic that trailers are constructed with. I wasn't too eager to admit this in the post because frankly I wasn't thinking it because it wasn't presented in that way. It's exactly why I shared to get insight like this. It's certainly possible. That'd be something, huh? If it did happen like that.
     
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    What i'm baffled at people that even after so many years and so many movies, cartoons, book, comic books, some people don't get the philosophy of Star Wars, I'm no one is the exactly answer a JEDI would give.
     
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    Or a faceless assassin in Game of Thrones ;)

    [​IMG]
     
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    This question is so tricky to answer.

    1. Rey's accent demonstrates that she was raised in an upper class/patrician type environment. Leia's weak RP accent in ANH demonstrates this, I think.

    2. The jimjamjim posts on that other site confirm that Rey is a solo, but judging from their interaction in the trailer, neither of them knows the truth.

    3. So, does Rey know that Leia is her mother but not know Han is her father? Did Leia separate from Han once she became pregnant? In this scenario the "I'm no one" is Rey lying to herself. She'd know that she's a Skywalker descendent -- making her arc in TFA about accepting her destiny/claiming her birthright.

    4. Or did Leia give her surrogate parents kinda like she had? If that's the case then Rey might not know she's a Skywalker descendant. In this scenario, the "I'm no one" would be her honest opinion.

    I really think Rey knows her lineage but decided to run away from it, and continues to run away from it for most of TFA. The only issue is what the trailer revealed: that Rey and Han don't know they're family. Why would Leia hide this fact?
     
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    I think it just quite simply implies her state of mind.
    Like Luke, she feels stranded on a planet that is furthest away from the centre of the universe.
    In all the opening shots she is alone and wistfully watches a ship leave the planet.
    Of course, we know she will be the hero and isn't really a 'no one' - but it helps us identify with her non the less.
     
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    Ok, let's look at some of the basic elements of the story (which I have not read since '92 or '93 way back in 10th grade):

    - A powerful villain is surprised by the hero's quick wits - with what we know thus far, Rey definitely fits the bill. I personally think that she's a solo, but she's a natural descendant of Anakin and Luke. I bet she's good at fixing things and is probably an ace pilot

    - A villain whose vision is somehow obscured - perhaps Kylo has been told a false version of the events in ROTJ and does not believe Luke's story. So much of the saga has hinged on the main characters' points of view.

    - (After a quick glance at Wikipedia) Odysseus escapes by assuming the identity of a sheep in order to escape from the blinded Polyphemus - perhaps the ST will include some assumed identities/undercover work?

    - Odysseus is nearly done in by his hubris after bragging about his escape - this was true of the Jedi in the PT and the Emperor in the OT...I wonder which of the new characters will be victims of their own pride?

    Also, the name of the name of the Cyclops is Polyphemus, meaning "many-voiced", though it can be translated as "many songs and legends" or "much spoken of". Take that for what it's worth.

    And, for the record, I think that connections to the Odyssey and Ovid's Metamorphoses is absolutely intentional and very much in keeping with the Star Wars saga. Same goes for the Knights of Ren echoing the Seven Samurai. Man, I love Star Wars...
     
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    Fantastic commentary. I really, really love and appreciate this critical insight. "The villain whose vision is somehow obscured"...you get it. The metaphorical implications of the mythology links I've proposed. I think you're a pro in sheep's clothing. :) The assumed identities comment...yes...that follows myth, but also many Shakespeare stories of masked characters assuming to be others and counterfeit identities. Of course Shakespeare borrowed heavily from myth. JJ chose a counterfeit identity for Khan. I think we have a lot to look forward to.
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 22, 2015, Original Post Date: Oct 22, 2015 ---
    Great commentary. Thanks for this. Her unknown heritage may be an open question through to Episode 8. I would rather have it resolved in 7. And I agree and alluded to that in the original post, that #4 is correct, "I'm no one" is her honest opinion. She feels abandoned, lonely, forgotten. It's important, and I stress important, that Rey is claimed by her parents or parent, otherwise she is at risk of falling away to become, to use an OT term, a prodigal daughter replacing her real parents with a dark master. That's the risk of the family questions not being answered, that's what's at stake.
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    Because TIE fighters themselves look like big flying eyes. The Starkiller has a big red eye. All flavor of Stormtroopers, TIE pilots, Phasma and Kylo Ren all have mask eyepieces that are connected, and it appears the KOR have one eye slot, some reminiscent of Battlestar Cylons. Design-wise, they are all Cyclops. One eye ... there is the implication that stereo vision is not present providing depth perspective. Oblique, shortsighted vision has often been the failing of many heroes and villains in both life and fiction.
     
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    I posted this in another thread but the line "I am no one" does not have to be her talking to Maz. Trailers for other movies have intentionally misused dialogue to make an audience think something that is not true. They have put dialogue in a place in the trailer even though that is not where is goes in the movie. I think she may be talking to Kylo and here is why. The Kylo toy has dialogue that says "is it true? are you just a scavenger?: (or words pretty close to that) Her response to him could be "I am no one" which could be a way for her to buy time to escape and to hide who she is from Kylo. Just a thought.

    I have pointed out many times in every Star Wars movie someone has been in a disguise . Padme (Ep1), Anakin (Ep II) Padme (Ep III at the beginning she is flying a fighter not in main ship), Han, Luke,(Ep IV), Yoda, Lando (EP V Yoda hides who he is and Lando seems to be on the bad guys side) Lando and Leia (Ep VI). I would be surprised to not see someone in disguise in this movie. My guess it is Rey. the trailer makes me doubt that but again trailer have been edited to be misleading and to not give away anything in the past.
     
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    Exorcist . . . just sayin.

    I agree with your sentiment regarding the quote. It is a very loaded line and was used deliberately.
     
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    What of Kylo's line "Is it true you are just a scavenger?"

    Then Rey's line of "I'm no one" would make sense here wouldn't it?

    I think the conversation in the trailer isn't really a conversation in the movie. If that is Maz asking "Who are you?" that could be directed to a number of the characters in her castle, but we are just assuming it's directed at Rey because she responds to the question in the trailer....my money would be that this conversation was strung together for the purpose of the trailer and is apart of the "Mystery Box."
     
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    This trailer is really close to just being teaser #3 with more VFX work finished (or close to finished).
     
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    But it's the final trailer, right? Minus TV spots and whatever behind-the-scene featurettes and other marketing interview videos they come up with.
     
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    uhhh… no, we should all go out and (re)read the Odyssey because it marks the starting point of Western literature and mythology? Plus, it's good to know things and be more educated, not less? Plus GL was quoted many times as having been inspired directly by Joseph Campbell, who did look at the Odyssey among many others, therefore making it absolutely relevant. So we do, in fact, have direct cause to give a sh*t that the script quotes Odysseus.
     
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