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SPECULATION Rey is a Clone, but not of Luke

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Use the Falchion, Sep 23, 2019.

  1. DigificWriter

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    Pablo's main function within the Story Group is to serve as an 'arbiter and curator of information' (I know because I've personally seen him talk at conventions), so if he goes out of his way to answer a question about something, it's because the answer is something that people need to know so that misinformation doesn't get spread around.

    To clarify my earlier comment, though, it has been my experience that the 'root cause' of the divisive response to The Last Jedi stems from the perception that Rian Johnson somehow 'ruined', ignored, or otherwise sullied SW because TLJ did not confirm many fans' beliefs about where the story was headed and what certain characters' roles in the story going forward were.

    It's quite telling that the biggest 'points of contention' in terms of anti-TLJ posters' arguments against the film center on Rey's parentage, Luke's role in the story and his depiction as a person who essentially 'gave up', and the 'uselessness' of Snoke as a character, all of which are things that can directly be traced back to the years' worth of speculation and fan theorizing that happened in the interim period between the release of TFA and the release of TLJ and that were directly addressed by Pablo Hidalgo, Rian Johnson, Daisy Ridley, and others at various times throughout said interim period.
     
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    But people are allowed to have those opinions. I don’t share them, I think TLJ is a fantastic film, and I agree with many of the clarifications and explanations given by the people in creator roles such as those you describe, but people are allowed to disagree. If someone thinks Luke’s character was ruined, that is a valid opinion. I utterly disagree with it, and I might think the justification given by some of those holding that opinion may be wildly wrong from my point of view, but there’s nothing Rian, Pablo, Kathy or anyone can say that will make some people change their minds.

    I think the divisiveness in fandom (as opposed to to a division of subjective opinions on a movie) has come more from people behaving disrespectfully, in a bigoted fashion that allows no room for sensible debate or acceptance of other people’s perceptions, opinions and interpretations of the art being discussed.

    If someone’s argument is that Disney’s Star Wars is a ‘SJW-agenda-driven outrage’ there isn’t much Pablo can tweet that is going to satisfy them. Likewise, if someone genuinely disappointed by the story told or what they did with Luke’s character is shouted down as being a ‘racist incel’ based on nothing other than a reasonable (if negative) opinion of the movie, that’s not going to engender any healing of divisiveness either.

    So to sum up again: you think Pablo said some stuff that means Rey couldn’t possibly be a clone. I don’t think he did say anything that precludes it. But that’s ok, we can agree to disagree? :)
     
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    I don't think this is the place for this but the idea that people are "choosing to 'selectively ignore' statements" is the cause of the divisiveness is ludicrous. If anything both sides, in many cases, do not listen to the other side. They simply talk at each other or over each other, but not to each other.

    Pablo can tweet whatever he wants to tweet, but do you REALLY think that if Rey IS a clone of Anakin he is going to confirm it on Twitter 3 months before the film is released? Never gonna happen. If JJ wants her to be a clone, she's a clone.

    Moving on, I love the theory, but I doubt it will be what happens. It would help tie the trilogies together and it would explain (better than the download thing in the novel) how Rey is strong and has little to no training.
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    Amen.

    But to keep on topic, I hope they do something with her being a clone of Luke or Anakin (Anakin makes the most sense to me). Who knows what they will do? Speculation is half the fun.
     
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    No, I don't. But what I know is that, if the question he was asked about artificially creating Force sensitivity were in any way relevant to anything in current canon (and, yes, cloning falls under this general topic heading), he wouldn't have bothered to answer said question.
     
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    Amen to that too! :)
     
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    I wouldn't put it past them to say one thing just to throw people off the scent. But truly, while I love this theory, I don't think it's going to come true.
     
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    The clone army were exact copies genetically. Jango wanted a clone that would age normally. The clone army was altered so that they would develop faster in order to keep the army stocked with soldiers
     
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    I’m going to have to disagree.
    Lama Su tells Obi-Wan: “We modified their genetic structure to make them less independent than the original host”, so genetic modification is kind of established as a thing. And there’s no good reason to suppose it couldn’t be when we can do it in real life.
     
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    That's not how the Story Group operates; I have personally seen and heard both Pablo and another Story Group member, Matt Martin, defer questions that they were directly asked because answering said questions would have veered into spoiler territory either directly or indirectly.
     
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    Not a fan to this whole clone thing.
     
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    Rey as a clone theories you mean? Or clones in general? (I mean either is fair enough, I'm not criticising... ).

    Sorry for cloning (quoting) your post ;)(stormy 2)
     
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    Clones as a whole, there is a part of it in the prequels, it's OK. You can do that for secondary characters and that's it.
     
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    I personally wasn't either, until of this theory (and while I'm not the first to think of it, I like the reasons I've come up with).

    My main problem with clone theories - mine included - is that it minimizes Rey's victories and feats to fans. "Oh of course she can do X, she's [insert character]'s clone." But is that really any better than the same fans decrying her for doing things "too fast/without training/etc?" (I mean, we probably shouldn't care what they say, but at least it turns the talk from negative to neutral).

    But there are ways around this too. In Mass Effect 2, the character Miranda was genetically engineered/cloned to be perfect, and you explore how that has tortured her mentally. I believe the Wolverine or X-23 comics have explored that as well, with Laura fighting off other Wolverine clones (and his countless hordes of children) and even becoming the older sister to a clone of HER (codename Honey Badger).

    Or they could go The Legend of Korra route and make Rey excel in areas Anakin didn't, but the reverse is true too (although it might be a tad too late for that, as the easiest to do that with would be piloting and mechanical skills, BUT that could also be turned into foreshadowing, so not all is lost).
     
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    I have never been a big fan of the Rey is a clone of “X”. It doesn’t matter to me what she might be a clone of, the idea does not sit well with me. I can’t necessarily say what I don’t like about it. I guess it is just a visceral feeling
     
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    I feel the same way. I think for me it bothers me a little that in TLJ, the message that Rey's arc is conveying is her figuring out that she won't find her place in the universe by looking to someone else (which is also kind of meta since all the fans are looking to Luke, Han and Leia for comparisons). SHE has to determine who she are and what her place is. I won't rule out that TROS will change this somewhat, but her litterally being cloned from another character just does not sit right for me at all.
     
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