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SPECULATION Rey is a Kenobi. The Parallel of Rey's story is with Obi-Wan, not Luke.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Darth Chewie, Apr 19, 2016.

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    Have we been mislead? For the most part everyones opinion is that Rey's journey in TFA is a direct parallel with that of Luke's from the OT.

    But is it? Some food for thought... (I don't necessarily buy 100% into the theory, but it becomes most intriguing when you think about it.)

    1. Obi-wan rescues R2 along with Luke & 3PO on a desert planet in ANH. Rey rescues BB-8 and Finn on a desert planet.
    2. Obi-wan enlists the help of Han Solo to help with his mission in ANH. Rey enlists the help of Han Solo to help her and Finn with their mission.
    3. Obi-wan has to sneak around the Death Star. Rey has to sneak around Star Killer base.
    4. Obi-wan seems to be fond of using the mind trick, and uses it on a Storm Trooper in ANH. Rey's first true test of her force powers his performing a mind trick on a Storm Trooper.
    5. It was Obi-wan who first gave Luke his fathers lightsaber at the beginning of ANH. It is Rey who hands Luke his fathers lightsaber at the end of TFA.
    More food for thought...
    • The voice that is made most clear in Rey's force vision, is that of Obi-wan.
    • And is it possible that this story is not only a continuation about a Skywalker and their trials and tribulations with the light and dark sides of the force, but also about the possible redemption Obi-Wan and his failures with Anikan? George Lucas admitted that the saga is like poetry. What if the intentions of this latest sage are to have it end the way the PT began.... with a Kenobi and a Skywalker(a redeemed Ben Solo) as friends and allies. Now that would be poetry.
    Just my 2 cents.
     
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    I can't bring myself to see Obi-Wan Kenobi as Rey's ancestor.

    To begin with, he had a front row seat for seeing how disobeying the Jedi order's rules on personal attachments cause problems, so I don't believe he'd be inclined to have a family in the first place.

    Even if he did decide that with the Jedi order destroyed it was okay to have children, I can't see him doing something that would risk his responsibility. Obi-Wan was so loyal to the Jedi cause and prophecy that he agree to go into exile with the infant Luke on a desert backwater solely to protect the baby. Kenobi took that job so seriously that he was still watching over Luke as a young adult - when Luke was threatened by Tuskens in Ep4, Obi-Wan was there in an instant to save him. If Obi-Wan had gone to start a family, that would have had to leave Luke unprotected at least some of the time, and I don't believe he would ever have chanced that.

    Finally, let's say that he did do exactly that - he met a nice girl at the cantina, had a child, and that child became Rey's mother or father. What does that say about Obi-Wan? We know he was living along on Tatooine at the start of Ep4. Did he abandon his own kid somewhere in order to watch over Anakin's son? If he deliberately chose to take on the responsibilities of fatherhood himself, why didn't he remain in his child's life? That would mean either he had a child that he had no intentions of prioritizing over Luke or that the mother and child sent away as Obi-Wan made deliberate decision not to be involved in his own child's life.

    I just can't see any of that. At best, the end result is that Obi-Wan was horribly reckless with his obligation to protect Luke, and at worst that he deliberately chose to have a child that he knew he wouldn't be raising or supporting.
     
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    But OB1 had a love interest that he would have left the Jedi Order for long before Luke was ever born... Satine. Mother of Sabine.

    That last part is my speculation, but the former is part of Clone Wars.
     
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    Satine is not Sabine's mother. Her mother is a Death Watch member that was in the throne room when Satine was killed.
     
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    This would be just as stupid as resurrected annakin.

    It sounds like horrible fan fiction written by someone who lives in his moms basement and trolls pablo with theory after theory.

    In addition to being over the top corny...

    Episode 8 or 9 would need to take ten minutes minimum to explain the lineage and rewrite history.

    Literally no one who has a life outside of Star Wars would want this or find this to be cool.

    Lulz Rey kenobi. Yikes
     
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    Eh, there's always the possibility that Obi-Wan didn't know he had a child initially as well. There are all kinds of ways they could go with things if that somehow turned out to be the case. Same with Luke if he turns out to be the father. It always irritates me when people imply that Luke being the father automatically makes him a deadbeat dad. There are tons of easy ways around that problem with proper writing.

    As for Rey being a Kenobi, I wouldn't have an issue with it as long as it was handled well. I would prefer her to be Luke's daughter, but her being a Kenobi would make me happy as well. Who knows, if Luke hooked up with Obi-Wan's daughter, we might get both(I highly doubt that though). Another thing to consider is that we don't know if Obi-Wan had any extended family. He would have been taken from his parents at a very early age, so it's not inconceivable that he may have had other siblings that he never knew, who then had children of their own.

    Also of note is Rey's accent. The fact that they had her keep her British accent rather than change it like John Boyega is telling. I seem to recall reading an article here on Star Wars News Net about a dialect coach being brought in to help her give off a particular type of British accent as well, but I could be mistaken on that one.
     
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    yeah, there was an interview in which she said she was coached to sound more posh.
    Kenobi or Imperial ~ one way or the other. i think she's Imperial, but i wouldn't object to Kenobi ~ hahaha
     
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    There are many people who don't like the jedi code on this forum.

    Where is the point of making movies on jedis if they are not jedis ?

    Jedis have no family nor attachments.
     
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    I have no problem if she is Rey Kenobi, Rey Solo, Rey Skywalker, or Rey Nobody.

    While it's fun to speculate until Episode 8 (we need something to discuss!) I won't get bent out of shape if it's any of the above.

    The fact that Obiwan talked to her when she grabbed the Lightsaber does lead me that way. But they do play Luke's theme when she force grabs the lightsaber from Ren. But she does mimic Han while piloting the Falcon with him, along with Chewy liking her.
     
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    Let us get this straight. The jedi are not celibate, i.e. having sex is not forbidden. Being attached and being possessive is what is forbidden. And since it is more probable than not that having a family would lead to being attached and possessive (see Anakin and Padme) it is very possible that jedi knights prefered to remain celibate rather than risk entanglement. Then again, that doesn't mean that having sex was seen as something wrong.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1989505.stm

    Thus, absolutely no problem of Obi-Wan having sired a child. He might have even not known about it.

    For example with Satine with whom he definitely might have had something...and something definitely could have happened especially since when Obi-Wan meets her first he is still only an apprentice and not even yet a jedi-knight thus even less beholden to the code (which as pointed out doesn't forbid sex).
    We know that satine loved Obi-Wan and we also know he did as well. It is very very possible that they might have had something more than platonic appreciation. And there is absolutely nothing wrong if that happened.
    And since Satine knew that Obi-Wan would leave the Jedi order for her if she asked she might have concealed from him that they had a child.
    And there is nothing wrong with this story at all.
     
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    This idea from the op, would make sense with certain characters.

    If Rey is a Kenobi then who is the father and the mother? Obi-wan never knew of the child he had due to being on Tatatonie to watch over Luke for 19 years, never leaving the planet? (This is where we need a Obi-wan movie).

    Could Lor San Tekka be the son of Obi-wan Kenobi, but then why isn't he force sensitive? However he knows Kylo and of his family due to his meeting with him on Jakku.

    Do we find out in episode 8 or 9? I hope so, my heart feels Rey is a Skywalker. Not a Kenobi, a force child, a clone of Luke or some incarnation of Anikan.
     
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    I would like to pick on this......

    Actually if Rey's real name is Padme we would have Padme and Ben, Luke and Leia fathers?, deciding the future of the galaxy.

    I like the theory that Obi Wan is the actual father of the twins instead of Anakin and the real love interest of Padme, that would explain Obi Wan in Tattooine so much better. This theory puts the prequels in a Love Triangle until Anakin finds it out and wanted to kill everybody. (Makes Sense)

    Edit: Check tihs out http://thepandorasociety.com/lukes-father/
     
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    without even reading your thoughts, there is 100% no chance this will ever happen. they won't screw with preexisting canon to somehow develop TWO generations of kenobi that came after obi-wan. it is simply illogical and would be the most confusing thing to explain- they won't even dedicate 2 seconds of screentime to explain a convoluted lineage like this.. i respect fan creativity, but from a story-telling/filmmaking standpoint, it makes no sense..
     
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    Eh, while that would certainly give more motivation to Anakin's turn to the Dark Side, it just makes the other characters look like terrible people. Who would want to root for Obi-Wan when we know he's the kind of person who would bang his friend's wife behind his back. A story development like that actually does a lot more harm than good to the prior Star Wars films. Also, it must be said, love triangles almost never improve a story.
     
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    It'd be cool if she was somehow a Kenobi but I'm pretty sure that it's Mathematically impossible. Rey would need to be Obi-Wan's Granddaughter which I think is quite far-fetched and would take too long to explain.

    There must be some sort of connection there (especially considering Rey's vision) but we'll see. I'm still not sold on any theory yet.
     
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    I am so glad I am not the only crazy one to embrace this idea. I threw something similar out a long time ago and wished it gained more traction...

    The appeal of this for me is actually what seems to have others questioning it. Having OB1 be the real father unquestionably changes the prior canon. But to me, it fixes the absolute worst element of the saga so far... Anakin's terribly executed turn to the Dark Side. After all, isn't that at least half of what the saga has been all about? So the question is, does fixing the worst element in this way fundamentally change the best part of the saga, Darth Vader's reveal to Luke, or can it actually enhance the overall story?

    For me, it has the potential to enhance it. Darth Vader's reveal still has the same emotional impact on Luke, because at that moment, he doesn't know the truth. Same is true for Darth Vader. Luke has already been misled by OB1 before and is still a pawn in Yoda and OB1's scheme to take down the Empire.

    Obviously this change does the most damage to OB1, who to this point has not been the main focus of the saga anyway. Let's face it, OB1 was at best a liar, and perhaps something far worse. His deception to Luke never sat right with me. Regardless of Luke and Leia's parentage, OB1 (and Yoda) made some morally grey choices, all supposedly for the greater good. And wasn't that supposed to be the underlying theme of the ST? This morally grey are between right and wrong?

    As someone before mentioned, the PT lacked the kind of unpredictible punch that Darth Vader's reveal in ESB had, so I am all in favor of some kind of game changing reveal here in the ST. And wouldn't be fun if the new villain Kylo Ren, who idolizes his "grandfather," has likewise been misled and discovers when its too late that he actually has no biological tie to him at all? First we have the tragedy of the fall of Anakin Skywalker and then we have the tragedy of Kylo Ben...

    If you think of it from a pure Disney marketing standpoint, too, the PT, with all of its warts, is a commodity that Disney would ultimately love to profit from... the OT can't really be milked any more. And this would be a way to allow them to tweak the PT so as to bring renewed interest to that particular Star Wars asset. And the actors for that trilogy are still young enough that "bonus" footage could be shot to "enhance" this newer reveal and story line to re-release without a complete re-make.

    So I say bring on Maury Povich... OB1 you ARE the father!
     
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    OB1 being Luke father makes sense in so many ways BUT it's only a possible plot twist AND a single speculation exercize. Considering the main pros and cons over this theory:

    Obi Wan Kenobi being Luke and Leia Father - Pros:

    - Explains better the Obi Wan Character
    - Adds a new level of treachery and grief to the young Anakin Skywalker and a reason to turn him into Darth Vader

    Obi Wan Kenobi being Luke and Leia Father - Cons:

    - Star Wars would became the Kenobi Saga and not the Skywalkers story
    - Destroys the relation and substance of Kylo Ren over Darth Vader

    On one side note, Disney and any other producer will never rewrite or re arrange the prequels, it's done let them be.

    On a pure logical thought there's no possibility of this theory to became real despite being a fun theory.
     
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    I can't disagree with you that this is mostly an exercise in speculative fun, rather than reality.

    But to play Devil's advocate, the story would still very much be the Skywalker saga, as it all still really revolves around Anakin, his story of what causes someone to go dark, and his transformation into Darth Vader. I would also find it incredibly compelling if Anakin is still really torn between the dark and light in the afterlife once he is made aware of this ultimate betrayal. The concept art of his Force ghost vascillating back and forth from the light to the dark is fascinating.... But anyway, if Kylo Ren, who apparently has followed a similar path, was revealed to be descended not from the Skywalkers but from the Kenobis, could it be an interesting turn if Rey was conceived of the Force, like Anakin, as a "Skywalker" to oppose him? After all, what does it mean to be a true Skywalker if not one whose origin is the Force itself? There's a certain amount of "George Lucas symmetry" there.

    Whether or not OB1 is the real father of Luke and Leia, I certainly like the idea that the ST will see a new generation of Kenobi vs. Skywalker. After all, the prequels were just as much the genesis of this "Hatfields and McCoys" family story as anything. Looking at it through that prism, the ST could very well be a continuation of that family conflict if Rey is descended from Kenobi. I actually like this theory better as it would allow Rey "Kenobi" to do what OB1 could not: save the Skywalker from a dark fate. Again, a little poetry...

    In any event, if we diverge from the most popular theory that Rey is Luke's daughter, these two are my favorite theories of who such "unknown" characters really are. Unless you want to talk about my theory that Darth-Vader-is-an-inverse-Space-Jesus and the ST is all about what happens to his church after he has risen and the eventual coming of an Anti-Vader...
     
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    Some one tweet this to Pablo Hidalgo.... so that he can officially stop this fan theory in it's tracks, something he's has been quite accustom to lately. ;)
     
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