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SPECULATION Rey Kenobi...how does it work?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Dec 6, 2016.

  1. Master_Farkaz

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    Hmmm... seems legit...


    Intreguing!


    I don't think he will be missing! Lucasfilm has already confirmed that the reason were not getting an Obi Wan stand-alone, is because he has a significant role to play in the ST!!


    Interesting! Although (IMO) Padmé (Natalie Portman) did look like an angel in TPM... (amidala)


    Could be coincidence, although Lucasfilm rarely do anything without reason! :confused:


    The plot thickens... :D


    Uh oh...:eek:


    Yey! :p


    Ohw man!!...:p


    Wait, wha.....? :eek:


    Ooooh.. Misa laika dis!! :D


    Yep! those Skywalkers always liked their older women! :rolleyes::p


    Wait what!! But... but what about the stork??? :eek:


    Was there any ketchup on those bathrobes? Then they were actually Anakins robes that Obi Wan nicked before he went to Mustafar! :p

    The whole cloning thing would be a nice tie-in to the PT! :cool:
     
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    Hi,

    I've been reading a lot of ideas on the forum lately and feel the Rey lineage seem very boring in term of story telling. The way the story is going on in TFA does suppose there will be a 'I am your father' situation but everyone already expect that (even non star wars fan who know the franchise do). But in order to create a good Star Wars movie I'm certain the writers want to recreate that kind of moment. They actually didn't even attempt it with Ben Solo, they just let it go out of no where with "you're father Han Solo...", there was no building up...

    After reading all of your comments about Rey being a Kenobi, it really got me excited as it doesn't take away the skywalker continuity (Kylo Ren, grand son of Darth Vader wanting to be like him) and keeps in Obi Wan in the ST, who pretty much made Anakin who he is (not about being good or bad but as a person, that would be a debate I guess).

    My theory, and please keep in mind I'm a casual fan who hasn't read all the recent canon books/comics and didn't finish rebel nor clone wars, would be the following:

    -What if, Obi Wan, in his hermit times and once a ghost with the force has indeed learned to become "more powerful than you can possibly imagine' by beign able to create life. He tutored (along with Yoda) Luke to bring balance to the force (or make Darth Vader bring balance). But with snoke coming back, he would , throught the light side of the force, create Rey, just like Anakin was created from the dark side.

    This would avoid all "so in xx BBY he met this girl and had kids who became them and they had kids too..." complications for story telling.

    It would keep the force mysterious, just like we don't know the details about Anakin's birth, and Rey being another "the one",

    It would make Obi Wan truly powerful, also allows for his own movies on how he got to know this. In term of Star Wars mythology it's pretty strong, it kind of mimics Gods in the Greek mythology being all powerful, ..

    It would let the writers continue their grey side of the force has this 'un-natural' way is used for good.

    I guess it could have an ending in IX with Rey remaining good, vs Anakin becoming evil (and keep a start wars Good vs Bad).

    Luke might have discovered that (maybe even plan it with his buddy) and put her far away when Kylo Ren killed luke's padawan, being afraid she could turn bad. Thus his face when he sees her, having to face what he has done, afraid of what might happen ...

    What do you think?

    PS: if this idea has been mentioned before I apologize for the repost.
     
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    If she was Kenobi's grandaughter wouldn't he be calling out to her more through the force like he did to luke?
     
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    Well, he did didn't he?
    The only Force Ghost that spoke to Rey directly addressing her by name was Obi-Wan's.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "more". When he spoke to her she just discovered the Force. For the very first time.
    There will be opportunities in the future for him to call to her more. If that's what they have decided he will be doing.

    But more of the logic of your question is strange...Obi-Wan addressed Luke, that certainly didn't mean Obi-Wan was Luke grandfather, father, uncle...now did it.

    Thus quantity of times a Force ghost speaks to anybody and who speaks to who is not determined by their blood relation.

    P.S. Having said all that. I do think that Rey is a Kenobi.
     
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    He spoke to Luke but after we "knew" who his dad was in ANH...I've said this before but I think it would be too ranom to have her be his granddaughter
     
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    I don't see her being being the grandniece or some illegitimate grandchild of Obi-Wan Kenobi, just wouldn't make the story flow. I say she's either the grand daughter of Obi Wan or Luke's daughter.
     
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    I don't believe him to be a powerful as plageuis from dialogue in the pt
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    Interesting idea but creating life is an unnatural power, if it is even possible. Not something Kenobi would do.
    If she is Kenobi's grand daughter then I think it would relate back to Satine and Kenobi wouldn't have known about her until close before the events of ANH.
    This may then have been something Luke discovered later and went searching for Obi Wan's family.
     
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    Rey as a Kenobi would require so much inelegant exposition for that reveal. I doubt it sincerely.

    My money is on Rey being a nobody/everyperson.
     
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    I actually think Rey Random or Ray Imperial is more likely, but dangnabbit I like the poetry of Rey Kenobi. :p
     
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    He would have had to hook up with a scavenger.
     
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    Yeah I shouldnt try to post when I am on these pain meds the dentist gave me. It made since to me at the time, honestly I thought I had written more than that but I guess not, and thats probably for the best. :confused:
     
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    My thoughts are that Obi-wan is Rey's great-grandfather, and here's how it works. Padawan Obi-wan and Satine conceived a child, Korkie Kryze. Satine hid him and enrolled him in a boarding school as her "nephew." I feel 90% sure this is their child. His parents are never mentioned, and the Clone Wars dedicated a full 4-arc about him, plus he shows up doing everything he can to save Satine after she's captured by Maul. Korkie looks like them, has comparable intellect and is the right age. I believe Satine could have hid the pregnancy especially if the child was conceived while they were hiding and on the run, and I can see her hiding it from Obi-wan so they could each fulfill their own destinies. Korkie teamed up with Bo-Katan, Satine's sister (his aunt) and Death Watch member to try to save Satine. Later Bo-Karan flees refusing to give in to a Maul-ruling Mandalore (not after rescuing Obi-wan, I might add). It is likely that Korkie also refused to accept a Maul-ruling Mandalore who killed his mother/aunt and followed his aunt, Bo-Katan, living with her in areas previously known or controlled by Death Watch. Here he encounters House Vizla, meets and partners with Sabines mom and they conceive Sabine. It does work with the timeline, Korkie would just have been young when he had her, like 17 or so, which is plausible in the real world and Star Wars universe, where people seem to grow up a little quicker. This also would add great significance to Sabines role in uniting Mandalore (I.e. Pacifist Kryzes and Death Watch) and why she'll be working with Bo-Karan on Rebels. I could see Sabine finding her father captured by the Empire and his dying words being something about her grandparents. Later Sabine conceives Rey with someone, maybe Ezra, maybe Luke. I get less confident in the theory the further down the family tree, and Here's where I start falling off my own train, because I really think Rey is a Skywalker, and even though the timeline and exposition fits for Sabine and Luke to hook up, it just doesn't feel right. I don't think Sabine can fill Mara Jades shoes and I don't think the two have chemistry. It is more likely that Sabine hooks up with Ezra, but are those really Rey's parents? I do think there is some connection, if indirect, between Sabines heritage and the Knights of Ren
     
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    I definitely didn't get "Rey Kenobi" vibes from the trailer last night (which, if they're trying to mislead us, would put the Rey Kenobi theory ahead for it).
    :p

    But seriously, anyone notice anything last night to give this theory a shot in the arm?
     
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    I don't think the trailer gave any theory a shot in the arm, despite people attempting to in other threads.

    I am a fan of Rey Kenobi, but didn't see any hints of it in this trailer (the first one did have rey kenobi hints). The more i think about it, the more convinced i am by Rey random (meaning no Skywalker, Solo, Kenobi, Palpatine etc), but a new family of an unknown importance. I hope to hell that Rey kenobi becomes fact, but as long as it isn't Rey Solo/Skywalker, i'm happy.

    Only two months left until the answer is hopefully revealed, i would hate to wait another two years to find out the answer.
     
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    I don't really get the Rey Kenobi idea other than "it would be kinda cool". I don't see what it adds to the story and it is highly contrived.
     
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    Rey cant be a Kenobi. It is way too complicated and it creates plot holes in the OT.
     
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    How does it work ? Easy : Rey is a Kenobi because (plotwist) Luke is one too.
     
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    I'm slowly getting on board with this theory after recently reading up on a few ideas.
    The big question with this theory is how to explain it easily on screen.
    However, with the Kenobi standalone in the making, that would offer a chance for explaining how it all worked over a movie - and Luke just telling Rey in TLJ that she is a Kenobi might be enough (it'll certainly build the anticipation for a Kenobi film so we can see how it all happened).

    So I think there is a reasonable chance that Satine had a child (without Kenobi originally knowing but later finding out after the Jedi fall) - with this child going on to have Rey themselves. However, I'm wondering whether she could be Obi-Wan's child who was perhaps frozen in carbonite for some time?

    Another question however would be why she is so powerful. I know Obi Wan was powerful, but I don't think he was powerful enough to explain Rey's raw strength. But this has got me think about this line:

    "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine".

    Could it be that Kenobi has given his offspring greater power from the netherworld of the Force? Has his energy become one with her? Could it be that something similar happened with Anakin - his force energy became a part of Ben's (thus explaining the equal parts of light and dark - Anakin/Vader?). Is this why Rey and Ben are so powerful - seemingly more powerful than the living chosen one and his kids? And so is the Force bond between Rey and Ben, actually the bond that existed between Anakin and Kenobi?

    I think I just became a Rey Kenobist!
     
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