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SPECULATION Rey Kenobi

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by DailyPlunge, Mar 31, 2019.

  1. DailyPlunge

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    This isn't something that I necessarily want to be true or even hope is true, but it is something I thought about tonight. Rey Kenobi isn't a new theory and it's been around for awhile. I'm not sure how it would work, but what if JJ had an idea to tie up the Skywalker Saga with one more Kenobi vs. Skywalker? Rey Kenobi and the man named after Ben Kenobi... Ben Solo.

    We know there was a Kenobi film in development. There's some speculation that it might be a series now. Then I remember what Anthony Breznican said a couple of years ago.

    What if JJ's story for Episode IX ended up changing the plans for the Kenobi story? Lucasfilm may have felt like the Kenobi story had to wait until after IX. Everyone just assumed it was fallout from Solo, but I suspect the decision about Kenobi happened in early 2018, a few months before Solo was released and after JJ's script for IX was approved.

    Also...
    If the rumors are true about part of the story of IX being about C3PO's memories it could be linked to what C3PO saw between Obi-Wan and Anakin Skywalker.

    What do y'all think? Is JJ gonna tie Rey to Kenobi?
     
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    3PO's memories got wiped. Whatever he knows about the prequel era are gone. Now R2 on the other hand is a different story.
    I don't understand the fandom's need to connect everybody. Why can't she be a new character and her own backstory? It's a galaxy people, stop trying to shrink it.
     
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    I never really understood the Rey Kenobi theory...

    I think making Rey a nobody allows the franchise to focus on infinite stories. It also gives me the same feeling I grew up with--- anyone has the ability to be the hero.

    However...

    I could see Rey Skywalker. And here's why...
    • Luke saw something in his moment of temptation to kill Ben Solo. Sure maybe he saw the destruction of "everything he'd created". But to explain the truly broken man he is... I think he lost something deeper... something personal... his daughter. (Perhaps even a wife.) And of course friends, padawans, etc.
    • Luke may never have sensed a connection if he believed his daughter was killed many years ago. (Don't forget he was also closed off to the force.)
    • In Rey's Force Awakens vision she sees Kylo stab someone. (Saving her)
    • Kylo's line "what girl?" implied he knew of "a girl".
    I believe Luke foresaw Kylo killing his entire family and the new jedi. In that moment, Kylo sees Luke and turns to the dark side. Kylo and the Knights of Ren kill everyone, but Kylo doesn't have the GUTS to kill his young, innocent cousin Rey... likely a different name. Kylo saves Rey^ and brings her to Jakku and sells her to junk traders--- something he hides from Snoke.

    I'm pretty confident this is it :)

    But I'd be happy with her being a nobody too haha
     
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    No thanx. That would ruin what I find amazing about Obi Wan.
     
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    I hope the Rey Kenobi theory never take place.
    It will kind of ruined RJ's The Last Jedi.
    The scene in the cave with Rey will loose all its purpose.
     
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    I think losing his own Jedi school and all the padawans who may almost be seen as his kids is already personal enough.

    But how do you explain that Rey doesn't have any memories about Luke and furthermore why was Rey dropped off at Jakku years before Ben turned to the dark side?

    Kylo is just killing a clan member. Furthemore this could also be a vision of the future.

    No, JJ said Kylo just wanted to know "who the girl is". He also said Kylo and Rey never met before. Okay, technically Kylo isn't Ben...


    Regarding the theory about Rey being a Kenobi: I always liked the poetry about that. One Kenobi lost a Skywalker - which he loved - to the dark side. <=> A new Kenobi tries to save a Skywalker - which she may or may not love - and bring him back to the light.
     
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    This!^^ The poetry is my favorite part about Rey Kenobi--a new Skywalker and a new Kenobi making things right.

    But IMO TLJ made Rey Kenobi all but impossible. And you run into similar problems as you do with any other Rey Related theory: how could any of our older heroes, or someone they loved, leave Rey alone in the desert (even, for the sake of argument, setting aside "filthy junk traders who sold you for drinking money")? Why wouldn't they try to find her?

    As for Anthony Breznican's statement, how old is it? Why couldn't Lucasfilm announce an Obi-Wan project at this point even if there is a connection in Episode IX? It would only pump up the enthusiasm! You wouldn't have to give one plot detail to have a room screaming at Celebration. So if nothing is announced there, Breznican's rumors are just rumors, I guess.
     
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    I've maintained that she's a nobody since the beginning. But if she is connected or related to someone such as Obi-Wan;then there better be a really good explanation on how and why. If she is then it won't bother me as long as it's explained with detail not just she is so and so.

    But I'll say one thing about Obi-Wan and Rey. They did have a slight connection in the Force when touched the lightsaber as she was coming out of the vision. So I do hope J.J. expands on the reasoning. It could be that Obi-Wan gave her that vision through the force. But who knows?
     
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    I think Rey could work as a Kenobi more than a Skywalker (and just as much as a Solo depending on how they'd play that (Leia giving up her kid for adoption right after birth because she saw a vision of something terrible and wanted to spare her pain (and her adoption experience was frankly pretty great), Ben not understanding that and afraid he'd be abandoned some day (which explains his feelings towards training with Luke) and giving Snoke an in, and the adoption goes south leading Han and Leia to think their daughter is dead). But that's a different theory.

    The question I've been asking recently is: would a familial relationship reveal in service of the character AND the story, or just one?

    The "I am your father" line worked so well in part because it shattered Luke's worldview. Luke idealized "Anakin Skywalker, the amazing Jedi Knight" and trusted Ben Kenobi. In a single sentence, those were destroyed.

    Rey was looking for that sense of belonging and Ben Solo ripped that from her. But that doesn't mean she couldn't be a Kenobi.

    One of the main themes I see in the Sequel Trilogy and media with sequels today (The Legend of Korra, Boruto, etc) is the idea of the Sins of the Father/Parents as People. Our heroes have all grown up, but they're still human. They'll fail, and they'll fail in ways that will affect their children and that the children have to fix. MCU's Black Panther is a great example, and there's a YouTube video essay talking about the New Order Villain that goes over parts of this idea.

    How does this relate to Rey? Well, Rey can be the product of this for Obi-Wan. What if Obi-Wan DID have a kid, and chose to prioritize Luke over his own child? What if he had a kid and never even knew, further paralleling his relationship with his apprentice? Or even worse, what if Kenobi's child was simply a bad person? Just because they're a son or daughter of a Jedi doesn't mean that they can't end up as a junk trader later down the line.

    As for Rey's inheritance, that's where things get tricky. I could easily see this with Luke and/or Obi-Wan coming in and saying that Rey wasn't chosen because she was a Kenobi, but simply because she was in the right place at the right time, or something like that. That everything she achieved, she did without knowing her family history, and as such those accomplishments are hers and hers alone. But would the audience accept that? Unfortunately and aggravatingly probably not.

    So, could Rey Kenobi service the character? It could, if only to reinforce her own accomplishments. Could it service the story? Less of this, but more of the idea of "poetry, it rhymes" and all that stuff we enjoy in Star Wars. So, if played carefully, it could work. Now will it happen? I kinda doubt it.

    But as a semi-final last note, Rey being a Kenobi could mitigate some of the fears of "the end of the Skywalker Saga." Do we really want the Skywalkers to continue on forever, or is it that seemingly last connection to the Original Trilogy being torn apart we fear? Would knowing that there's a Kenobi out there mitigate that fear? I think so. I mean, they're all saying it's the end for the Skywalkers, but they said nothing about Kenobi's! ;)



    Wouldn't Kenobi be the easiest, given the fact that he's already dead, so he physically can't come and save her? And as for reaching out, for Luke, Anakin, and even Rey, all of their connection to The Force feels like "I didn't know about it until I knew it and then I knew it," if that makes sense.

    As for the other heroes, if Rey's related to them...I'm NOT going to speak for anyone has adopted a child or given one up for adoption, but as a person who wants to adopt someday I occasionally go to Reddit's adoption pages (admittedly it's been a couple of months (around 1.5-2) since I last checked though). There are a plethora of stories on there, from great adoptions to heartbreakingly terrible ones. From birth parents who keep in contact with their kids to those whose pain is too great to do so. Star Wars creator George Lucas is also an adoptive father, so including this type of story in Star Wars shouldn't be too far out of the realm of possibility. To say "I'm in no position to raise this child, so I'll give her up to someone who I can and/or wants a daughter." Unfortunately, those people were just terrible. I could see this being greatly empowering to people who see it...although on the flip side I could see people interpreting this in a COMPLETELY different way too...
     
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    The Sacred Jedi Texts! I'll go through those when I have time, if only to look back on when we were all so young and full of optimism...
     
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    To play Devil's Advocate... Rey Kenobi works for her being a nobody and being connected.

    Ben Solo is obsessed with his grandfather who he never knew and killed one of his loving parents. Rey's doesn't remember her parents and they weren't important. However, she has a grandfather who was instrumental in the training and creation of Darth Vader. It's conceivable Ob-Wan didn't even know anything about this.

    What better way for Rey to tell Ben to get over the past.
     
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    I don’t think this ‘Obi-Rey Kenobi gibberish’ has much more foundation than people thinking it would be neat for OB and Annie’s grandkids to fight like they did. Hey, maybe on Mustafar - wouldn’t that be raaaad!!

    Kylo’s advancement in TLJ was killing his past to become his own person. Rey’s advancement was finding a sense of belonging that didn’t require her family. This idea doesn’t progress the story or its characters, it just regresses both for the illusion of significance.
    Wasn’t that HIS message to HER in that movie?:confused:
     
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    Just doesn't feel as though a Rey Kenobi reveal would serve the plot much at this stage, especially since she would have to be a granddaughter or great granddaughter. There is also the fact that the Kenobi bloodline wasn't ultra-strong while I think we can all agree that Rey has ultra-strong force abilities, possibly exceeding even Anakin Skywalker's.

    I think there's a better chance that she was either born via the force or was a Palpatine/Sith creation as alluded to in the opera scene in ROTS.
     
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    @Apollus08, there is no way that the Kylo/Jakku time can work. Rey was dropped off with 5 or 6 years. Kylo/Ben is 10 years older than Rey, so he was 15 or 16 at this point. Ben became Kylo and joined the FO six years prior TFA. In TFA he's 29, so he was 23 years old (a very important age in the SW universe) when he turned against his uncle.
     
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    Leading up to TLJ, I was an advocate in the many threads on this forum for Rey Kenobi because I felt it would open up the saga beyond a linear Skywalker chronology, and into an interfamilial and inter-generational epic conflict. That seemed more dimensional and appealing to me, and I felt it would retroactively add emotional weight and complexity to what transpired between Obi Wan and the Skywalkers in the PT and OT.

    Having said that, I was fine with RJ’s choice to make her a nobody — that this was the lesson Rey needed to learn at this point in her story, and it was ALSO the lesson we as an audience needed to learn: to get beyond these “chosen one” narratives and believe in the innate potential in all of us. Thematically, this also opened up and enriched the SW saga.

    However, I disagree with those who say it would erase or cheapen this choice in TLJ for JJ to decide to reveal her as of Kenobi lineage in Ep IX. We learn different things about ourselves at different moments in life that upheave our sense of self and alter our trajectory. There are examples of this in sci-fi movies of course, like Luke being told he is the son of a great Jedi only to learn later he is the son of the villain who annihilated the entire Jedi Order, or Neo in the Matrix being told he is not The One only to learn later he is in fact The One, or Gosling’s character in the Blade Runner sequel alternating between believing he’s a special human being and a totally not special robot. We believe what we need to believe in a given moment so we can address our immediate obstacles and develop our personal story. From a narrative perspective, it’s not structurally inconsistent, in terms of Rey’s character arc, for her to first learn what it is to be a nobody, to become special through her own determination and to feel what it’s like to choose her own family and place in the universe, only to later learn what it means to reconcile with a lineage, and a complicated lineage at that. Could she even deal with being a Kenobi, and effectively engage with the most tumultuous incarnation of a Skywalker we’ve seen, if she didn’t first learn how to be self-empowered and cultivate a sense of familial belonging and trust in her own innate power to know what is right and what to do?

    Anyway, I’m not arguing for one thing or the other. Like everybody else, I just hope the story is skillfully told, whatever that story is. Just wanted to say that bringing Kenobi back into the saga, via Rey, could feel like a natural progression of Rey’s story, the saga’s story, and our own story as an audience.
     
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    I don't want to drive this too far off topic, but Kylo Ren is the person most obsessed with the past in the film. His "kill the past" rhetoric would doesn't match his actions.
    I too agree with your take. I like Rey's story in TLJ and I'm perfectly fine with Rey Nobody, but I'm closed off to the idea she's somehow connected if it's part of the story that'd told well. Also, there are many fans who want her connected somehow. I don't really get it, but I've talked to people who liked TLJ who shared some disappointment that she wasn't connected. It must be human nature or something and it explains 50 years of American TV soap operas.
     
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    I think you’re on to something. I’ve figured it out. Rey is the long lost daughter of Nick and Sharon Newman. :p(epic fail)
     
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    Whether fans liked or hated TLJ, Disney should stick with the narrative and move forward with the story. Snoke is dead, Luke is dead, and Rey is nobody. I wish JJ would just come out any squelch any more speculation regarding these plot points (maybe he has as I don’t read every interview).

    Maybe have the ultimate compromise as Force Ghost Luke legally adopts Rey so she’s still a nobody and a Skywalker too. :p
     
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