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SPECULATION Rey Kenobi

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by DailyPlunge, Mar 31, 2019.

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    Good find. Do you have a link?
     
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    Whoa whoa whoa whoa - Hot aaaaaaaand Spicy? Is . . . is that even possible? My god. Those arrogant SPAM scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. Madness, I say!!
     
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    Wow, never seen that. That would be delish with some scrambled eggs on a tortillllla. Extra L's because they should be pronounced.
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    and thanks for the welcome!!
     
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    Really?? I was not aware of this. Guess I got some rereadin' to do!
     
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    It is pretty cool to read with the benefit of hindsight and how things were changed. I re-read the relevant passages. The conversation between Luke and Obi-Wan on Dagobah follows the movie quite closely but then extends past what we see on screen. I don't know if they ever actually filmed that dialogue.

    I think it is especially interesting to watch the scene in E4 where Owen, Beru and Luke are having dinner and see how Owen talks about Ben from the perspective that they were originally brothers.
     
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    That is interesting. As a kid, I never put too much thought into all of the intricacies, and as I got older and paid attention, I had the PT to influence what I saw. I've even read the novelization, but didn't pick up on the brother thing....I wonder if the version I read was modified in light of the PT? I also read Tom Angleburgers
    Star Wars: Return of the Jedi Beware the Power of the Dark Side!, and I am sure that it used what we know from the PT/OT combined.
     
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    Thank you, I felt strongly that she was a Kenobi since the mind trick scene.. I think it would even compliment the "ring theory" on some level if they go this way.

    Either way I expect Episode IX to be great, JJ nailed TFA for me.
     
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    Having Rey be Ben Kenobis granddaughter wouldn’t be bad at all
     
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    I have always liked this theory and it still occupies a "rooting interest" for me even now. However it may conclude, Rey Nobody just rings hollow for me, as Rey really doesn't have any personality of her own, in my opinion. Although if she is the grand-daughter of Obi-Wan, her stoicism and "white knight" qualities seem to make a bit more sense, for some reason I can't quite explain.

    I also really like the satisfying conclusion that is possible by rectifying the Hatfield-McCoy "family feud" between the two families... if Rey can manage to save the last Skywalker, whereas Obi-Wan could not save the first (arguably he saved the second...). That ending would manage to redeem both Luke and Obi-Wan, which to me would be a satisfying conclusion, as JJ Abrams said he hopes to provide.

    #teamreykenobi
     
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    Pains me to say having Rey as a Skywalker, Kenobi or Palpatine was just lazy and uninspired writing as those would be the top 3 names polled from anyone who has seen SW atleast once.

    I would have been OK w/ Rey just being an orphan from unknown "force sensitive" parents. There was no more Jed Council/Jedi seeking force sensitive kids after ROTS so its plausible there were generations of sensitives out there who lived their lives unnoticed.

    But there were several other options possible if LF wanted to connect REY to a previous character.... Rey being a descendant of Dooku, the "Lost 20" or even a disregarded failed Jedi/Sith clone experiment left on Jakku as an act of mercy....imagine Rey searching the closed Kamono facilities and finding one room operational with tubes filled w/ "Reys" from different ages....then a Jedi Rey vs Sith Rey for something new...
     
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    I thought Rey's origin was going to coincide with the Aftermath novels and what was done there. Re-enforces that these directors don't read the books ( RJ did use the Jedi Path book. He did a rather good job with Luke's force powers). Why do they have a story group? Rey is my favorite character of the sequel trilogy, it's shame she wasn't developed better. I don't have issues with TROS it just feels rushed to me.
     
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    Beats me as well as to what's going on w/ this Story group. Egos or too much pressure/interference from Studio Execs pressured by shareholders).
    You're 100% correct w/ Rey's lack of development.

    Look at Luke... A farmer, left his home to rescue a captured princess, wants to be a Jedi like his father, sacrifices his training to save his friends, faces off against the galactic monster first kicks his butt then tells him who he really is. Luke rebuilds himself (figuratively) then sets off to save his father and is successful.

    Rey was just rushed and directionless. Orphan, captured by Kylo, briefly trained as a Jedi, has a "force-mance w/ Ben, and lifts rocks to save her friends, learns she's a palpatine and kills him.

    Looking at past movie trilogies, Christopher Nolan's Bruce Wayne and the Godfather's Michael Corleone are the only ones that come to mind IMO that have Luke-like development span over 3 movies.
     
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    I was going to stay out of this discussion, but I'm listening to a podcast discussion about Rey taking on the Skywalker name right now and it's prompting me to want to say that I think people are, in classic revisionist fashion, reading much more into Daisy's comments than is actually there.

    Daisy may very well not have known with 100% certainty where Rey came from until late in the filming of TFA, but that does not mean that the storytellers behind the Sequel Trilogy overall - Abrams, Kathleen Kennedy, Rian Johnson, Chris Terrio, etc. were "flying by the seats of their pants", as it were, nor does it mean that their ultimate decision - to make her connected to Palpatine - was wrong.

    I can understand that people might have a preference with regards to her being a Kenobi, but my own personal feeling is that it would have been the wrong decision based on my own personal engagement with the Star Wars franchise and the thematic and mythological motifs that I gain most of my enjoyment of it from.

    Her being connected to the Emperor, regardless of whenever that decision was finalized (which is a question to which we will probably never have a definite answer), is much more in line with George Lucas explicitly positioning Palpatine as the "big bad" of the entire Star Wars Saga beginning with The Phantom Menace and is much more satisfying from an archetypal standpoint given that both she and Ben almost directly mirror the protagonists of the two previous trilogies that make up the complete SW Saga as a whole.
     
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    Cross-posted:

    The conclusion that we as an audience are left with regarding Rey's parents in The Last Jedi ultimately proves to be untrue, but that does not create a discrepancy or inconsistency because of one indisputable fact: what we as an audience take away from that film is the "truth" according to Rey herself.

    In other words, she subconsciously perceives her parents as junkie nobodies who sold her for money. It's not something she would ever consciously admit without prompting, which is exactly what Ben does because he's trying to convince her to join his side and believes he can play on their connection a nd her subconscious fears and doubts.

    The things that Ben Solo and Rey discuss in TLJ regarding her parents prove to be the ultimate example of Ben Kenobi's defense of himself in Return of the Jedi: what TLJ told us was true... from a certain point of view.
     
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    Really?

    Rey was an un-wanted child. Sold to a junk trader. Forced to survive on her own for 14 years. So crippled by abandonment and a need for love that she doesn't act in her best interest. Learns that her lineage doesn't define her and she is a worthy person in and of herself, which allows her to be the person she was born to be and the hero the Resistance needs.




    I also think that you're overstating the comparison of Luke and Batman/Micheal Corleone. Bruce and Micheal made conscious decisions to do what they did. Bruce lost his parents and deliberately went in search of a means of to better himself and take down criminals. A rich kid who loses her parents becomes a self-made woman (Rey taught herself to fight and fix machines and languages). And who like Batman also has to decide if she is going to exact vengeance. I was actually re-reading the Count Of Monte Cristo the other day and saw strong parallels to Rey. I don't see any such parallels between Luke and Batman.

    Luke was a whinny molly coddled by his aunt. Who fell in with some rebels. What was his life plan? And the whole thing with Vader and Leia comes across as shoehorned.
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    Exactly. I mean she was 5 when she was left. How much of your parents do you remember when you were 5? Kylo only saw the memories from what was in Rey's head and remember that they were interrupted when Luke barged in.
     
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    Yes really...

    I am referring to the concrete character development seen on screen and not on speculation....
     
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    And I am talking about what's on screen.
     
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    Luke > Rey
     
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