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Rey, our love,forever.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, Mar 29, 2018.

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    Remember that the only fart joke in the saga is from George Lucas.
     
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    On a public forum?:rolleyes: Please. Then you're just wasting your time here if you feel the way you do.
     
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    Until Mike Hamill keeps his beard,and he don't gives up, I don't give up.





     
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    I will quote Mark too with my feeling with it.

    As long as many people think that a shot of an iron suit is brilliant and made it to the final cut while Luke reacting to Han's death didn't then it's just not my story anymore.

    Hat off for not giving up but I was so confused with the movie that I thought the whole time that the lights would come back and someone would tell me that it was a prank.
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 5, 2018, Original Post Date: Apr 5, 2018 ---
    You know, we had some history and personnal talks with some folks here, we discussed the movie for 2 years, theorizing, battling, laughing for a good amount of time. You're not here for long so you can't really understand that some people shared time while you weren't even there on the forum.

    So you liked the movie and you like to smack talk with people who didn't, good for you. I have no probem with that. Don't expect me to answer much though.
     
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    Me bringing up evidence from previous films is considered "smack talk"? I just don't get why your wasting your time on something you hate.
     
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    I am glad that finaly tide is turning with debate about true Rey's parentage that is heating.
    Only children can believe that latest talk about how J.J. Abrams had different idea about Rey parents is coincidence, or that is a bug in the system.

    I am telling this because I like they are preparing the people. On my own, the original post makes things clear already.
     
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    I thought it was fairly clear cut that Yoda's words meant the library contained the books, which by this point Rey had already removed and stored in the Falcon - meaning she physically possessed the texts rather than mentally or metaphysically possessed their knowledge or lore.

    It just showed that Yoda was already aware of Rey's little trick, whereas Luke wasn't and assumed Yoda had torched the tree and the sacred texts.
     
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    Yes that to. But there is something else.

    Yoda presses Rey's need in front of Luke and what she is (something extraordinary they must not lose),and that she needs something from Luke and Luke needs to realise this.

    It is strange that Yoda must tell to Luke of Rey's need to be teached,of Rey's need of Luke, because its what Luke already absolutely already knows, he said himself to Rey:"You need a teacher".

    So why is Yoda telling to Luke that he does not see obvious things in front of his nose is very peculiar..?.

    Yoda ,who is one with the Force, must see the future, knows that Luke is about to die in body soon and no any teaching (conventional) between Luke and Rey will follow afterwards because of Luke's death whatever he said to Luke.
    Luke is about to die....I do not know am I followed to this point but something is not clear here.

    It seems to me at least as definitive indicator that Luke ( obviously as a Force ghost) and Rey will comunicate in episode IX.

    Alot.

    In Short_ Yoda is asking suspiciously to much from Luke to understand about Rey , because Luke is about to die before he even meet Rey again.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    Kylo saw her parents in her mind. Rey tried to forget who her parents were because they abandoned her. You should actually watch the movie. :p
     
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    Their minds were bridged and he sough Luke in Rey's mind.

    Kylo Says he can't see her surroundings, jet he says,..this is something else...strange talk...than he feels Luke trough Rey's mind, it can be only trough her mind.

    From then on, I believe, he was exploting this fact what he sough, and keeped it for himself.


    The elevator talk is also strange...why would he want to say to Rey she is daughter of nobody before she faces almighty Snoke? To weaken her even more?
    He wanted to say something before Snoke to her....looks like he was not sure to tell her or not,
     
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    Nobody notes one more thing..

    Rey says that she sough Ben' future when they touched hands.

    One would expect that Kylo/Ben sough her parents in that scene to, when they touched hands.

    Actually..he acts like he knew it before.

    In the Force-skype before that scene , ( in scene in which Kylo was shirtles), Kylo already pressed Rey with hard talk ..."you parents left you like garbage"

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    So Kylo has an issue of her perants from before, and where did he got that?

    In fact Kylo has an issue of her parents from scene he said.."Luke", sensing Luke trough Rey...First Force Skype.

    In the Elevator, he calculated: If I say her she is Skywalker she may find additional strenght and help me to get rid of Snoke.....on the other hand, she will know she is my equal and I could not have authority over he to turn her. So in the elavator Kylo couldn't decide.

    Rey says: "I feel conflict in you."

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    After they killed Snoke, it was absolutely clear for Kylo which version is in his interest.
     
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    "Third lesson"

    ..you will seek..
    suddenly feeling something moved out there in the night,
    behind you..after you turn...it disappears to distance
    but its still visible.
    faint, distant...while you move towards it upstairs
    to make clear what is it..
    slowly taking shape in the eyes like a far away beacon,
    a point of light slowly becoming larger,
    its shape slowly taking familiar shape
    surrounded by bluish glowing,
    up on the cliff of the same island surrounded by night,
    while you struggle and move up again
    on those same stairs
    towards it,
    towards the unbelievable thing that has passed by you,
    and you passed by him,the fear like it will now finally disappear forever
    before you get there,
    with so much that was left unspoken, unclear,
    but no, its still there, again you see it,
    its really there, same jet different,
    now knowing what is waiting for,
    what was waiting all those years,
    waiting for you,
    while you approach with the tears in your eyes
    as the dark shadows of the past that have contested you both
    disappear like a courtain
    and your eyes and feelings are finally catching his
    from the wells of Cosmic Force
    what is against all odds
    the unbelievable truth about you,
    your place and your purpose in the galaxy.
    ..a voice..."Rey".
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    *inspired by third lesson that Luke has promissed to Rey and never have given in ep VIII.
     
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    Announcing major intellectual breaktrough for my friends ,( that actually slipped in front of our nose).
    In the elevator scene in The Last Jedi:
    Kylo Ren says this exact words:


    "Rey, I sough who your parents are"
    Who your parents ARE


    Than, after battle with Snoke's guards, he talks
    "Your parents were....."
    WERE


    My dear friends, and I think that this is it. We have epic trilogy, we can slowly start to rejoice and if he could read this I would give my thanks to mr Rian Johnson for his epic film, which will be long remembered and talked even I think more after the episode IX,after which the true role and message of The Last Jedi, this masterpiece, will became obvious .This is simply a mastery and he has done with the frame of the episode that was given to him one scenario that is simply unbeliveably subtile, and in many ways perfect. I admire those poeple and envy them for their luck to be able to make all this beauty for us.
    We should not spread this find widely I posted this since I find myself active Star Wars fan, and member of wider community of poeple who are bind with the love for this films, and I feel need to share information. Let the things go the way they are supposed to go.


     
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    You're not a native speaker - me neither - but that's just a case of grammar. "I saw who your parents are." is correct because even though they are dead, they are still her parents. So present time is correct.
    "Your parents were filthy junk traders." is also correct because during their life time they were junk dealers and now they are dead. So past time is the right use.

    Stop overthinking so much.
     
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    You still haven't taken that break that I advised! I'm sending the nurse to sit with you!
     
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    You guys want to say Kylo Ren wanted to say to Rey in the elevator, before she faces Snoke, "Rey I sough who your parents ARE 2 junk dealers?"

    But wait, didn't he already said to her before they threw her away like garbage? So he wanted to confirm her fears in the elevator, before she faces Snoke , and helps him?

    By coincidence, emediately after elevator scene they face Snoke, represent of that same dark side, and Snoke says:"..Anorther Skywalker I presumed...wrongly."

    I am very much sure in what I think and said, and passing over it will, be, since I am not native speaker.is it correct word:."underthinking".


    To encirlce this and wrap it up, now we turn to original Post with this from the TLJ Novel:

    "Rey is mesmerized and fixated on Snoke's eyes — much like the Dark Side cave on Ahch-To."
     
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    His sentence was already finished by "Rey, I saw who your parents are." Then Rey stepped backwards.

    Snoke never said that. He said: "Darkness rises, and Light to meet it. I told my apprentice that as his power grew, his equal in the Force would arise. Skywalker (he means Luke Skywalker), I presumed... Wrongly."
     
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    It is more than safe to say its impossible Snoke talks that Luke Skywalker would rise as the Kylo grew up in his power, since Luke was already 30 years ago a powerfull Jedi, before Kylo Ren was even born.
    Balance, as Kylo Ren's power grew, the Force reacted by birth of oponent equal in power, from the Light side.

    Snoke presumed only Skywalkers have such potential, such raw power, it would be again a Skywalker....Sykwalker against Skywalker. Interesting.

    Snoke says his estimate was wrong, like Rey is not Skywalker..to his surprise..shall we believe mr Snoke? I am not sure shall we believe Snoke, honestly.

    In the novel Rey sees Dark Cave on Ahch-to in Snoke's eyes, what Snoke represents was present also in the dark cave. And after the dark cave Rey felt lonely anlike ever before.

    The dark cave (just like Snoke, and Kylo ) denied Rey to see clearly her true origin.

    However, there was a trace of Light in Kylo, and you want to know when my dear people?

    In the elevator, when Rey and him had that close talk...in the elavator, when Rey called him Ben , , and Ben wanted ,for a brief moment ,to tell to Rey something else about her parents, he knows who they ARE.
     
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    We don't know that. Furthermore Luke was afraid of Rey's and Kylo's power (Luke: "I've seen that raw power only once before. It didn't scare me enough back then. It does now." Kylo: "He had sensed my powers. As he senses yours. And he feared it.")
    So we can assume that Kylo and Rey are stronger in the force than Luke.

    What was the final battle of TLJ? Skywalker vs Skywalker => Luke vs Kylo

    Rey also called him Ben after the fight against the guards and then he told her the truth that she has always known who her parents are.
     
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