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Rey, our love,forever.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, Mar 29, 2018.

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    Or Ben confronts all the students & gives them a ultimatum join me or die. & given that the remaining student would probably hesitate to use lethal force against him something that at that point Ben wouldn’hold back on them.after he has dispatched a few the rest would probably join him in the hopes that he might spare them particularly if the student are of different ages.
     
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    R E Y L O Will Rise
     
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    Ok, it has been solved, it is now clear .

    TLJ. novelisation:
    Page 203/204.

    citation:
    ..........
    I feel the conflict in you growing since you killed Han, Rey said. "Its tearing you apart"
    "Is that why you came? To tell me about my conflict?
    There they were again,his usual tactics-deflection and derision.
    As if he were master and she was his student, to be kept at bay and off balance by questions. But things had changed.She wasn't the young woman he'd kidnapped on Takodana or confronted on Starkiller Base. Not anymore.
    "No" Rey said. "Look at me, Ben ".

    He turned at the sound of the name he's Ben born with, the one he'd abandoned.He looked lost.
    "When we touched I saw you future, she told him. "Just the shape of it, but solid and clear.
    You will not bow before Snoke. You will turn -- I 'II help you. I saw it. Its your destiny.
    She watched the emotions chase themselves across his face, echoed by jitters and spikes in the Force. Confusion.Pain. Loneliness.Longing. Sorrow.
    Than he lifted his eyes to hers.
    "You are wrong" Kylo said. "When we touched I saw something , too.Not your future--your past. And because of what I saw, I know that when the moment comes, you'll be the one to turn.You'll stand with me. Rey, I saw who your parents ARE.
    Rey stared at him, but there was no lie in Kylo's eyes.

    And the terrifying realization bloomed in her mind: Kylo's churing emotions waren't just about himself. They were also about her.
    The turbolift door open....
    ..................
    end of citation

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    Now we know, Kylo /Ben had a conflicting thoughts about Rey in this elevator,most precisely- he had conflict about the fact he learned, about Rey's parents.

    Of course Kylo will not be conflicted if he really knew inisignificant and expected fact,to him , that Rey parents were 2 nobodies as she is just some scavanger which he learned already in ep VII.
    So Kylo Ren knows who Rey's true parents are, and this fact makes him deeply conflicted.
    Rey is Skywalker, and he, in that lift, for a brief moment was old himself-Ben.
    He is conflicted since if he tells Rey who her true perents are, she will became his equal, on the other hand she will get additional purpose to fight.
    Also beknowing she is Skywalker, means she has unbreakable linked destiny with his own.

    He didn't had strenght no time, nor was he sure what to to tell her before facing Snoke.

    After killing Snoke,he rejects his name Ben.
    Than, aftre seeing rey's resistance to his call, Kylo pulles his "option B", the lie to lower Rey's self-esteem in attempt to get her on his side, argumenting with need to let the past die for her to became true self..,and that she od nobody in this story.

    Case solved.
     
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    Her past will bring her closer to the dark side respectively closer to him. That's what he meant. This pretty much tells me that Rey's parents were nobodies who failed Rey or they are dark side users.
     
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    TLJ Novel page 222/ 223.


    citation...

    Holding Rey pinned there, Snoke considered Kylo. He had seen his apprentice's enormus potential when he was still a child--a latent power of the Skywalker bloodline was impossible to miss.
    ..................
    Snoke turned his attention back to Rey, still gamely struggling to fight something she had no hope of contending with, let alone defeating.
    It was a pity about the girl, whose unexpectedly strong powers intrigued him.

    But her role in the story was about over. She had one fnal service to perform, after which she could be discarded.

    .....
     
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    I don't see what you want to tell me, sorry.
     
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    Snoke said that Rey rised to meet Kylo's dark, a rise in someone equal in power.Balance.That is right.

    Than again during torturing Rey, there is hint that Snoke finds that there is something in the Rey's power that is above that expectation, which intrigues him, some quality he sensed only in Skywalker bloodline.
     
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    Sorry, I don't see it. He never says anything like that in your text quote.
     
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    Snoke says the power of Skywalker's bloodline is impossible for him to miss.

    And than the author in the same scene, puts the notion that something in Rey's power is intriguing for Snoke above his expectations......(though Snoke has no time to deal with it, as she served her purpose, to give him information about Luke, and she is to be discarded.....he thinks of discarding Kylo to btw, later).
     
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    He's talking about Kylo here. Even though Rey is incredibly powerful, you don't deny a Skywalker. You could say Snoke has a conflict in interest in this scene. But then he chose the Skywalker and tried to kill the non Skywalker.
     
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    Snoke holds Rey in grip and considers Kylo. Holding Rey in Force grip Snoke remembers how he found Kylo, how he found him as a child trough his unmistakable power of Skywalkers blood, but Kylo turned to be unpredictable and Snoke will think about his destiny later.

    Than Snoke turns again his thoughts to Rey, consdiers her, her power is..".intriguing " for Snoke...but anyway she is to be discarded .

    In short: Rey's power was intriguing for Snoke. And the text implies he has in fact saw something like this before only in Skywalker child.

    But in fact, Luke Skywalker said same thing.:" I saw this raw strenght only once before, in Ben Solo."
     
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    Snoke knows she's nobody.

    RenBen's powers obviously come from the "impossible to miss" Skywalker bloodline.
    whereas Rey's are "unexpectedly strong" and intrigue him.
    not terrible intriguing if they actually come from Skywalker blood.

    Snoke's deliberately making a contrast between the power and import of Skywalker blood and this nothing scavenger who is worthless and about to be discarded as such.
     
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    Snoke says he predicted birth of such being, an oposition to dark side to meet Kylo. He says at the start he wrongly estimated this would be another Skywalker.It looks resolute , definite.
    He says power of Skywalkes is unmistakable. This confirms Snoke expected another Skywalker to rise against Kylo because he considers Skywalker blood as ultimate carrier of the Force potential.

    Snoke emediately says he was wrong---Rey is not Skywalker.

    Jet, during torture this is actually questioned because she is still intriguing.

    How is that if Snoke is definitely sure who Rey is, or not.?

    Though ,Snoke now rejects both Kylo and Rey as "crude instruments" which are not needed anymore in his grand design, so they can be discarded (Rey first, Kylo after).

    If Snoke was absolutely sure about Rey, there would be nothing left intriguing .

    Rey was left intriguing in Snoke's eyes to the end.
     
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    It's intriguing because she is NOT a Skywalker. It wouldn't it be intriguing for him if she is a Skywalker. That's what the text is telling you...

    He was sure that she isn't a Skywalker, but he couldn't explain her powers. It's not that hard.
     
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    And what is the reason why Snoke is sure Rey isn't Skywalker?

    The reason why Soke is sure Rey isn't Skywalker is because he is sure he would certainly feel the Skywalker blood. And he never sensed Rey before.Therefore egoistic Snoke concludes, no she isn't .I would feel it.

    Still, on top of Rey' raw power, which is to Snoke explainable by the mechanism of balance, while he tortures Rey, in her resistance he found there is something on top of that , some quality of that power beyond his explanation ( that is the definition of intriguing).

    In short Snoke is sure Rey isn't Skywalker because he would certainy sense this unmistakably. Since he did not sensed another Skywalker, his ego tells him she isn't Skywalker.

    Snoke indeed believes Rey is not Skywalker, because Rey has been hide from him.Out of his reach.
    He got only a glimpse of suspicion,which was for him insignificant, because she has to die anyway.

    He underestimated Rey,though, just as she said to him.
     
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    How about some music for Rey,our love.



     
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    Williams himself stated that he has no idea who Rey's parents are. He wants her to be a Skywalker though.
     
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    Yoda:

    Page-turners they were not.
    Yes, yes, yes.
    Wisdom they held, but that library contained nothing
    that the girl Rey does not already possess.
    ..hm..
    Skywalker...


    .hm..
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    ...
    library contained nothing
    that the girl Rey does not already possess.
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    Skywalker..
    ...still looking to the horizon. Never here, now, hmm?

    [​IMG]

    #ReySkywalker confirmed#
     
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    [​IMG]
    These posts are getting more and more weird.
     
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    Only if we expect (that prankster) Yoda's words are plain and simple.

    And that Rian Johnson made a plain ,superficial ,easy to understand movie.

    I am now almost sure this film is absolutely not as it seems.
    We hardcore fans were unjust to Johnson.Blaiming him for destroying icon of Luke Skywalker.
    He made great work, and personal sacrifice , taking responcibility of rage of clueless fans on himself, for a film that is mastery of disguise .

    If he would ever read this my words(apologize for my delusions of grandeur), Rian plase take my apology sir.Do not ever think you should made it different.

    But I will take another step further...Mark Hamill knows and is playing role of sad Mark Hamill in front of Rian Johnson. Nice show gentlemen.
    Gosh, Rian is taking Mark with himself everywhere for Mark to show he is devastated (joker face)because he disagrees with what the Rian made with his character Luke and "rosts" Rian with questions in front of public every time they are togehter.
    [​IMG] :p

    Luke lives trough Rey , our love.

    Its genial,its perfect, they made people clueless as an overture for episode IX .

    It rhymes, its poetry.
     
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