Rey Solo

Rey says she’s a nobody.

Snoke explains where her power comes from.

Ren explains who her parents were.

Luke didn’t have a clue who she was.

Leia didn’t mention her daughter for a second movie in a row.

Rey got all excited when she saw topless Ren.

Just lock this thread up for crying out loud.

 

Internet is a place for free discussion. Sorry that bothers you so much.

There's no reason to lock this thread. That's simply censorship of something you dislike. There will just be a similar thread in the Episode IX forum later, so get used to it.

Apparently you forget Leia kisses Luke on the mouth twice in Empire.

Each of your points can be similarly refuted.

Luke didn't accept that Vader was his father either, right away. Rey would prefer to be nobody, rather than be in this messed up family where an uncle tries to kill his nephew.

Yes, let's listen to the bad guys, because they obviously know the whole truth. That always works in Star Wars.

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On another note, very curious how the novelization will treat some of these things...

 

Luke kissing Leia was decided before they were siblings. It was unintentional awkwardness. Disney wouldn't dare to repeat that, intentionally, in the ST.

Rey being a nobody is a huge part of her character, and her arc, and the main themes of TLJ and etc etc I could go on and on.

She SAID it herself. Because deep down she "always knew". She had to, to let go off the past and "kill" it.

 

I've been asking myself, was Ren messing with Rey about her parents? I find it weird that after such a short time knowing each other, he already knows who her "supposed" parents are, what they did and why they did it.

 

meh. It was under duress. And emotional trauma/badgering. She said she was a nobody...not that she knew her parents were or weren't drunks from Jakku. That part is left up to interpretation as to whether she agreed with that or just that she is (in her mind, up to that point) a nobody.

It's also completely possible this was Snoke planted, to hide her identity. (what Kylo supposedly sees is from him. If he's telling the truth at all.)

With somebody she has a Force Bond with. Just like...

Luke and Leia. (only other pair to have one in SW up to this point)

Until 9 is out and puts it to bed, or JJ/Rian/KK says definitively in a Q/A scenario then it's over.

BUT - if anybody in the next few weeks plays any kind of coy, and says "well, things aren't always what they seem" or some line like "there's always deeper layers to who we really are", etc...and doesn't flat-out confirm - "yes, we decided it was best for the character to move on because she's all new and not related to the Legacy characters."

Then I think this thread deserves to stay open and have discussion. JJ, for all his warts, is a bit of an OT fanboy. I can totally see him mirroring ROTJ and having it revealed half-way through that she's the sibling of Kylo.

Tension or not...they didn't kiss. They are not a couple. ReyLo is dead.

Retcon or not, decided in between ESB or not, the Skywalker twins did this -



His mother's love couldn't bring him back. His fathers love couldn't bring him back. Any potential romantic love or partnership in the Force couldn't bring him back.

But a sister?

"PERHAPS she will."

 

Lol, there's still people who believe Rey could be revealed to be Kylo's sister after TLJ ?

if you want another 2 years of waiting for a disappointment, great for you.

 

You know, it's great that you accept what TLJ gave you as an explanation for Rey's parents, but there's no need to poke fun at people who are still hoping for something more.

 

There's a very strong bond between Rey and Kylo. I don't see how making them related in the next episode would advance the story.

 

Fraudwalker.

 

It doesn't matter that Leia kissed Luke before they decided they were brother and sister. They also had Vader torture Leia before they were brother and sister, and that's even more disturbing. But Abrams loved that about the OT--the way layers got added. And these sequels have been a clear attempt to pay tribute to the OT, hence the borrowed dialogue ("I sense the conflict within you").

Also, I see zero sexual tension between Rey and Ren. Her concern for him is more friendly/sisterly than romantic. They do not kiss in this movie, so your point is invalid on that most basic level, too.

And it's obvious at the end of the film that they are setting up Rey and Poe to be a couple. It even looks like she bites her lower lip when she meets him. And she notices that Finn and Rose are a couple around the same time.

Rey and Kylo are not going to be a couple, especially after she slammed the door in his face.

So how do you have emotional stakes in the next one, without Rey and Ren being romantic, and especially without Fisher? Make them brother and sister.

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Not to mention, what could make Rey turn dark and Kylo turn light like they saw in each other? Rey finding out that she did get to know her parents and now they're both dead, basically killed by her brother. Because having two drunks parents didn't do it.

 

There is what seemed romantic tension, but Rey was like...frienemyzoned!

 

Okay okay, don’t lock the thread. Just change it from speculation to humour.

@Jedihopper I expected better from you.

@Buckeye94 There’s olentynof reason for a bit of ribbing here and there - just look at the abuse we Rey Randoms and ReyLoists have endured over two years. This is our time in the sunlight!

 

Do you think the reveal of Rey's parents is true, or is Kylo Ren lying to her (perhaps to heighten her emotions and bring her to the dark side). I went with a group of 12 and we were evenly divided on this.

 

They had plenty of opportunity to have Rey and Kylo kiss or speak romantically to each other. They chose not to. Telling. Rose didn't have a hard time telling Finn she loved him. Rey and Kylo, though...

Sorry, Reyloists--Rey wants to be with Poe. And I was never against Reylo, it's just that they're not going that way and it's obvious.

Kylo is either lying or doesn't know.

Can you imagine how pissed off Rey would be if she found out Kylo killed their father? She was already mad enough when he was just someone she looked up to.

Kylo wants Rey under his control--that's why he wants her to believe she's nobody and only he cares about her.

 

Rey is the one to say she is a nobody.

Ren fleshes our the story - if he lies he is connected to Rey and she’d likely know.

Snoke explains Rey’s power.

The film makes numerous references to the importance of the powerless.

Continuing from TFA, no one mentions lost Skywalker or Solo children. No one knows who Rey was. Luke and Leia don’t talk about her...just Ben.

Rey gets hot under the collar when she sees shirtless Ren. The sexual connection is even more obvious this time.

Luke and Han are described as the fathers Rey wants rather than has.

Stay on this ship if you wish but you’ll find yourself lost at sea. Or join us on our Rey Random Superyaught and enjoy quaffing Champaign in celebration and predicting correctly the direction of the story to come!

 

Yeah, those are very good points! I was on the side that while I'd prefer it to not be the truth, I believe it is the truth.

My main struggle with it is that if she is a nobody, then why create the hype of who her parents are? Why not just make that clear from the beginning in TFA? To create such speculation and anticipation on a big reveal is going to leave some people unhappy, regardless of which way the reveal goes. The reveal in ESB works so well because no one was expecting a reveal. This time we were. I think if it was revealed in the beginning that she had no connection then everyone would be on board and no disappointment... maybe.

For me the episodic films have always been the story for the Skywalker family (specifically the story of the rise, fall & redemption of Anakin/Vader when it was just the PT and ST) and to have our new main protagonist not be connected in that way is just a little odd to me. Granted we don't know what will happen in Ep.9, but as of where we are now, when one looks at the story as a whole I feel like 1-6 is the Skywalker Story and 7-9 is being setup to be the Rey Random story with Skywalkers as supporting characters to her journey. LF and Disney is creating a great and positive message about how anyone can be special (evident in the stable boy using the force when wishing upon the evening star) however by doing so and having Rey be a nobody interrupts the Skywalker tale.

I know that some people might be upset with this opinion and I may get some negative points, but please note that it's not my intention to offend anyone and I apologize if I did. Just wanted to be honest with my opinion and I enjoy discussing the different points of view. Despite the concerns I've listed I am optimistic and excited to see what's next for Star Wars!

 

The grandson of Darth Vader is now the Emperor of the galaxy. I can’t see how the Skywalker tale has been interrupted to be honest.

 

Yes, a very fair point. I think a part of my hesitation is in the fact that Kylo and Rey are equally powerful in the force, yet Kylo is a descendent of the chosen one where as Rey is from a lineage of junk dealers.

I want the hero of the Skywalker story to be a Skywalker, and assuming Rey is successful then the hero of the Skywalker story is not a Skywalker.. just seems strange. Anyways, a great conversation and I'm excited to see where it goes from here!

 

One of the points in this movie is that for every dark side user there is a equal to create balance.

"Darkness rises and light to meet it"

 

She's his mirror image. He was born the scion of a powerful family. She's a nobody. He's born strong in the dark side. Her light was the Force's answer to his darkness. She's convinced he will turn light. He's convinced she'll turn dark.

And you guys think that a movie where they explicitly wrote in partial nudity in a scene between two characters who share a telepathic bond where they feel each other's emotions is platonic/ familial? They have a scene where they stroke each-other's palms as music swells around them. They have a scene where he's begging her to join him with tears in his eyes a la Anakin and Padme.

And you still think they're siblings?

Y'all wild.

Don't just believe me.

Ask Mark Hamill