Rey Solo

So they basically wrote the Old Trilogy just changing names and roles and will have a family twist in EP VIII like No, I'm your brother and having a member of the family who's gonna redeem the fallen Skywalker ?

Hey, that deserves a lot of secrecy there.

Who could have guessed that ?

Hat off to the writers.

 

Very possible but, he also could be playing along as he knows people will only think he's joking. I'm pretty sure though that she's a Skywalker one way or another. She's either Luke's or unlikely with all the additional material that points to otherwise of Leia and Han's. Ulimately, I think being a Skywalker isn't what defines her. She's already amazing in her right. She has her own merits and a name can't change that. I just think there's a special connection between her and Ben that will lead them to needing to work together. This leads me to believe they are connected by something even greater than coincidence but being two halves of their Grandfather which is directed to the will and ulimately Balance of the Force. We'll see soon enough.

 

I watched the trilogy the other night, then the TFA after that, and TFA's has a mix of the entire OT, not just ANH, in it.

 

That seems extreme at least considering TFA. There is room for secrecy or years of separation involved and a lot of exposition that would not break down TFA continuity. If you extend that beyond TFA, Bloodline is very negatively effected.

I think at this point there have been lots of production hints preparing Rey Unrelated. But who knows.

 

The only thing that makes sense if she was presumed dead by everyone, and the vision she had isn't exactly how things went down, just fragmented memories that will eventually become clearer.

Her being 'dead' would almost mirror the #snokeisplagueis theory, she survived/was lost during the incident and was unable to be sensed or located for some reason.

I really hope they go in this direction, but with everything thats coming out, it seems unlikely now

 

https://vid.me/xWYu

Interesting video about JJ's mystery box and his "Rey's parents are not in TFA".

 

One could just as well ask why all the secrecy if Rey is NOT related to Luke and Leia. In TFA, they could have showed us Rey's parents in her force-vision scene, and just to make it clear, have Han mentioned that Ben was his only child and that Luke didn't have any kids.

Let's face it, JJ has put Rian Johnson in a no-win situation. If Rey is revealed to be a Skywalker/Solo, many fans will complain that it's predictable. If the revelation is that she's not related, then many fans will complain why we have to wait until Episode 8 for confirmation. The only thing Rian can do is what he has been doing, down-playing expectation and saying that the revelation will not be important.

 

Can

Can't really put all the blame on JJ. The idea of a next generation of heroes was going to cause that split no matter what.

 

In my eyes Skywalker/Solo Rey is safer bet however predictable. I do not think Disney would so easily chose path of Skywalker de-branding of Star Wars.
Despite Rey Solo or Luke's daughter version are seemingly convoluted situations, that require additional explanation (already obviously required since there is 20 years gap in the story! ) those are safer bets.
I do not think Kathleen Kennedy allowed to much wild risky imagination over Rey like Anakin reincarnated or pop up Rey that has got, by the grace of the Force, power to kick ass of Skywalker-born and trained Kylo.

 

Because that's what people do : complaining.

The secrecy is about the plot not who are Rey's parents, the fans did it themselves.

 

So this pistol was in some another secret department of the Millenium?
I find interesting that after so many years without Falcon, Han oppens small department(obviously knowing what he is doing) and finds old rifle, and that pistol for which he is obviously expecting to be there.
So nobody opened it for years?

 

If it were the case that the saber calling to Rey means she must be a Skywalker or Solo then Maz not twigging that makes no sense.

The saber called to Rey simply because it is her destiny to find Luke and become a Jedi. This might be because there is some connection to the Skywalker family or simply because she awoke the Force through her actions on jakku.

But the saber didn't recognise her - the Force presence within the saber or outside of it simply presented Rey with her destiny. Worth keeping in mind that it was the cosmic force that awoke, not the living force. And he cosmic force is what deals with destiny.



Also - the point about Rey not having a surname being an indicator that she is likely Skywalker or Solo related:

Wouldn't it make more sense to thrown people off to give her a different surname? For me her lack of surname is to help present her as a nobody with no family and/or to set up a later revelation that could be anything - yes she could be a Skywalker. But it could also likely be about Luke knowing who she is and thus for continuity being the only person who can reveal her identity (and what happened to her parents). Or she could be a Kenobi, Palpatine etc etc etc

Solo doesn't work. Sorry.

 

You'd have to explain how Leia could think her daughter is dead - which means coming up with a reason for Leia, Luke and Ben being tricked into believing Rey died without witnessing it. You'd have to explain why there was no mention of this tragedy - especially in regards to a reason why Ben turned to the Dark Side. Han and Leia don't talk about it - nor would this tragedy ever be resolved for them. Han certainly won't ever learn his daughter lived.

There would have to be some **** & bull story about Leia giving birth whilst Han, Luke and Ben are away, Leia being unconscious and the baby being taken from her and another dead baby being put in its place. This baby (Rey) would then be taken by someone for some reason and then five years later abandoned on Jakku. But all this is for no good reason - especially as Rey turned out great and fund her way "home". It essentially would be all for nothing.

But the thing for me is that in TFA no one remarks on how:

Rey is like Luke or Han or Leia in appearance.
No mentions how she would be the same age as Leia's dead daughter and shares many "Skywalker" traits.
No one talks about the impact of this tragedy upon Ben - instead blaming it all on Snoke & Vader.
Han & Leia don't talk about how it was a big part in the end of their relationship.

You also have the situation where they have written this wise, insightful character Maz Kanata to then make her look utterly stupid by saying Rey's family is NEVER coming back whilst daddy Solo is upstairs! It would make a mockery out of that character which I don't think is the plan.

Sorry, but the exposition required to try and make her a Solo would be both extensive and damaging to the story presented in TFA. It has been established time and time again how Leia would sense the death of a loved one - I can't see a good explanation for why she would presume her daughter to be dead. What's more, not only would they have to deal with this family reunion but also that of the people Rey believed to be her family. That is who Rey has been waiting for after all. You can't just say that they're unimportant now she has found her real family.

If I were writing TFA and knew that Rey was a Solo I simply would never have not had Han & Leia talk about Rey in some capacity - regardless of protecting a highly predicted reveal later on. You can't make a script poorer just because you want to surprise the audience in the next film. These days, the tension isn't in the twist but rather in the reveal itself. We'd know nowadays if Vader was Luke's father and the twist itself wouldn't be surprise. Luke's reaction to discovering the truth is what is exciting. Like wise, I think it would be far more powerful for the audience to be waiting for the moment Rey realises she is Kylo's sister rather than diminishing the script of TFA etc so we can all wait for a predicted twist of some kind.

So for me, when you take all this into account, along with the points made about "Bloodline", then Rey Solo is both highly doubtful or if true, hugely problematic.

 

let's assume for a second that Rey is Luke's or Leia's.. and Maz did sense that.
So... wise ol Maz senses that Rey is a Skywalker/Solo and she's the one who should tell her?

instead of sending her on her way to her parent/s.. she should be the one to tell the girl standing in front of her who her father is?
wouldn't that be like a stranger blurting out to someone that's adopted who there real parents are? who would do that? lol

whether Maz knew something more about Rey or not, i think she told her exactly what she needed to know to move her onto the next step of her journey... exactly like what she did with Finn.


again.. this isn't an argument for who Rey is. I don't have a clue init.

 

1. Maz doesn't know the truth - if she did she would've at least told Han to make sure someone knows!
2. In the novel it makes it even clearer that Maz knew Rey was important but didn't know why.
3. If the saber confirmed Rey was a Skywalker then Maz would've known.
4. If Maz knew Rey's family were alive and in fact Solo/Skywalker's then did she need to say "NEVER coming back"?
5. Maz knew the importance of Rey finding Luke. She knows Rey is reluctant to join the quest because of her family. Wouldn't it be more important to at the very least tell Rey that her search for her family ties into finding Luke? Instead, Maz can do nothing and says nothing as Rey runs away.

p.s. I thought you'd learned your lesson @Maximus?

 

yeah, but as well as being a slow learner.. i also have a bad memory my friend

1. no.. if she's as powerful as you think she is, then she would have probably told something to Han about where he was headed.. in terms of Ben. He had his own stuff going on that she would have sensed.
2. If she isn't as powerful as i dunno.. like..Sideous.. then it would make sense that she can sense emotion... importance.. but not know everything about everyone she looks at.
3. perhaps, but again.. if she isn't as powerful as you imply, then maybe she knows there's a link.. but that's all she can sense.
4. whomever can mean anything. If she isn't more powerful than any jedi we've ever seen before.. perhaps she can simply detect what a person is feeling. Rey was feeling that someone would come back. maybe Maz is simply echoing Rey's thoughts back to her to help her move forward.. like she did with Finn.
5. If Maz is letting the force guide her.. then whatever she did was the will of the force. you're saying she would have done this.. would have said that. she said what was needed.. or what she was guided to say.

 

"Han, you know that thing that broke you and Leia up - the tragedy of losing your daughter - well it turns out that your daughter lived - it's Rey!". I think she would've told him.

I agree. This isn't an in-universe point. Maz can be wrong. But it would be odd to design a character that is supposed to be wise and insightful to then have he appear stupid and ignorant.

She absolutely knows there is a link -she knows Rey's destiny ties into Luke's. But the point is that to Maz the saber thing doesn't automatically mean she is a Skywalker. In fact, it seems apparent that Maz doesn't think she is a Skywalker at all as she goes on to tell Rey that her family is never coming back. Now again, it might be that these people are not in fact Rey's family - but that isn't what Rey thinks or is upset about and Maz knows that. When Maz tells Rey "they're never coming back" - she must surely be wise enough to realise how Rey will take it?

Again, Maz is supposed to be wise and insightful. It's pretty obvious that Rey is waiting for important people, most likely family. Maz is of course just voicing what Rey is feeling deep down. BUT if Maz is so wise and insightful and actually thinks there is a chance Rey is a Skywalker or Solo, would she actually say that these people, whomever they are, are never coming back? Why confirm this to Rey when perhaps she could simply say that she feels that her search for her family may be linked to finding Luke?

Maz simply sees that the saber/force has called out to Rey and that this must mean that Rey's destiny is tied into finding Luke. That's what Maz realises. And she knows how important that is for Rey, Luke and the galaxy. Thus if Maz had some extra information, say that she knows Rey is likely a Skywalker/Solo, then she should surely have used this to persuade Rey to go on the adventure? Or if it was not her place to tell Rey - at the very least tell Han so that someone knows this VITAL information!