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Rey Solo

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Jul 23, 2017.

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3 Trilogies,3 great women,Grandmother,Mother,Daugther,Padme,Leia,Rey.

Poll closed Aug 29, 2018.
  1. Yes,I think its perfection

    17.2%
  2. Yes I like it

    13.0%
  3. I am not sure is it good or bad

    14.9%
  4. No,I want Luke had daughter

    18.1%
  5. No,I want Rey to be not in that familly

    41.9%
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  1. master_shaitan

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    I was indeed having a bit of a laugh...with the implication of the point you make above ;)
     
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    Although I prefer Rey Skywalker just a bit more, I would be happy if Rey was either a Skywalker or a Solo. I just want her to be a part of that bloodline and to be the granddaughter of Anakin/Vader. And her being a Solo does sound just as intriguing as Skywalker :)
     
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  3. master_shaitan

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    @McDiarmid

    Just a quick quote that goes against your suggestion that the death of their daughter split up Han & Leia:

    “In my early drafts, my thinking was we had to bridge the end of Return of the Jedi to what happens in this movie, and we didn’t want everybody to start off all together. We wanted them to be spread all throughout the galaxy. We came up with a backstory that Luke had a pupil who turned against him and fought him, and killed all the other pupils, and that was a thing that exploded the family and destroyed Han and Leia’s relationship.” - JJ Abrams.
     
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    Situation has changed from this draft, since we know desintegration of the Solo family (said in the Film) is defined from the moment Leia sent Ben to Luke, which was many years before Ben turned against the Jedi.Leia said thet is when she lost both Ben and Han.
     
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    Yes, but she didn't know she had lost them at that point. The family literally split up after Ben turned. But Leia is saying that she knows sending Ben away was the catalyst. JJ confirms here in the commentary for the FINISHED film that it was Ben turning that broke the family apart. Again, no mention of a lost daughter.
     
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    We shall see, both Snoke and Luke seems to confirm that both Rey and Ben have that "raw power".(For Snoke its precious, for Luke troublesome causing fear in him).

    Mysterious link has thus been officialy established between Rey and Ben, we shall see what is the true nature of that link.
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 12, 2017, Original Post Date: Oct 12, 2017 ---
    BTW- a short glimpse from the upcoming "Legends of Luke Skywalker" book tells a story about Luke been on Jakku.
    Stay tuned.
     
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    From the trailer it seems inevitable that both Snoke and Luke talk about raw power of both Ben, and Rey .

    They are in same league.

    Maybe Ben has got his raw power by his blood, and Rey by the will of the Force?

    But I prefer thinking of brother and sister.

    As you said Rey's power is also to be a great mechanic, and pilot, which is trait of Skywalkers.

    To much similarities with Anakin's blood is in Rey for it to be coincidences.

    All other explanations for Ben's and Rey's equal raw power are to convoluted.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Could Rey's name be adopted to protect her real name?
     
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    Come do dady.

    Solo: A Star Wars Story.

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    Indeed.

    Why would they make a film dedicated to a hero that everyone knows at the end died by the hand of his own son, and son ends in darkness which is in the end-oblivion...which is thus perultimate faliure of Han Solo's life?

    And, name of the film is implying to me --- a family, Solo's.

    As FN-3263827 has pointed out in one his old post, Disney would not make this film if Han's bloodline ends in murderous son, as faliure.

    So it ends almost certainly in Ben Solo's redemption.

    But I think this great character , Solo, he is even more, he is a father of a new bloodline that mixed with Skywalkers. Rey is also his child.

    Both Han and Leia will end their lives, but their children will make their lives justiffied in glory.

    That is why I think this thread's OP turns out to be ultimately right. It must be.
     
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    So spin off movie about a character = character related to Rey. With the reports of the Obi Wan spin off, maybe Han Solo is Obi Wan Kenobis son. That would make Rey a Solo-Skywalker-Kenobi.
    There was also the rumored Boba Fett movie, so maybe she was also going to be a Fett (Someone should try and create a Rey Fett theory).
     
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    Kenobi hated flying, and was calm and wise man.

    His daughter would never beat the hell out of scared Finn's butt with the staff there on the Jakku like she did on a first sight.

    She is passionate, she acts than thinks (Solo!) great pilot(Skywalker), great mechanic (Skwalker).

    Her traits are thus:

    Inherent raw Force power on a level of a born Skywalker (Ben)--Skywalker trait.
    She acts quickly than thinks of it- Solo trait.
    She is natural born mechanic and pilot- Skywalker trait

    Case dismissed.:p
     
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    The thing for me is that they're building up the abandonment story with Rey. If she's a Solo then that cannot ever be resolved (Han and Leia are dead) or if it is laid to rest then the one thing that is being used to pull Rey to the dark side (ergo the only thing that creates tension) will be pulled away. Therefore I find it more likely that her parents are likely dead and either were bad people or were killed by Luke.

    The fact is that if there isn't any suggestion Rey could go bad then there is no hero journey. And if Rey finds out Luke or the Solos are her real parents but they never knew that then there is no reason for her to turn bad.

    Clearly the abandonment story is central here - and it is that which ties her into the story as a whole. It connects her with kylo who feels the same way. It connects her with Luke who was an orphan (at one point). It is what connected her to Finn and BB8 and got her to go on the adventure in the first place. Rey has to remain an abandoned child and thus either get over that or fall because of it.

    Her being the hero in the Skywalker Saga then isn't jarring because she becomes a part of that family - not because of blood but something stronger - compassion. For blood wasn't enough to stop Ren turning bad but Rey's compassion for him and his for her will be strong enough to save them both.
     
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    But its already hinted that its resolved in this way I think. Those she waited trough her Force sensitivity(Han and Leia) will never came for he, she will never be with them in true sense of family reunion, which is sad but true fact that destiny (read all mighty diabolical Snoke) departed everyone of them (Solo family) in different directions .
    (Maz Kanata.).

    In the Force, in eterinity,(and Canon future references) they, however, at the end, are victors.
     
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    The point is, if she finds out that Han and Leia were her parents and that they never knew what happened to her - then it will be resolved for her and thus the conflict resolved too. And the character requires this conflict in order for there to be any suspense: will she turn to the Dark Side or not? There is no other motivation for her character. The light in her is about hope. The dark in her is born from her abandonment. She hopes she will see her family again. She fears she will not. There is positives in that she has made a new family. And the negatives come again from them abandoning her (Han dead, Finn off on his own, Luke doesn't want to train her). It all links back to her abandonment on Jakku.

    Thus the smaller point is: who are her parents and why did they leave her? But the bigger point is what this abandonment means for her. And if this is resolved by her finding out Han and Leia are her parents, that she was stolen from them but she got to see them and saw they loved her - then that issue is totally resolved. If we look back to the OT, Luke's final choice to reject the Dark Side was made at the very end of RotJ - a film thats tension was solely based on the idea that Luke could turn into Vader. Rey MUST have this tension also. We have to believe she call fall and the only real reason she would fall is because of this abandonment issue. I imagine that this could be made worse still if she discovers Luke was responsible for her parents' death and that she sympathises with Kylo Ren/or is drawn by Snoke...
     
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    For the gazillionth time: Rey was left on Jakku years before Ben destroyed Luke's Jedi Temple/students.
     
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    What if Leia's ring is just representing Leia and her twin brother Luke ?
     
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    Which is exactly how you make the most obvious storyline (Rey and Ren/Ben, the Solo brother and sister), seem to come out of no where... classic misdirection. The question is, can it be plausibly explained? Remains to be seen, but as suggested below, I think it can...

    I completely agree with you that there must be dramatic tension and motivation for Rey that is not resolved until the end of this trilogy... most likely in the form of, "Will she turn dark?" But I think everyone assumes it must be related to her distant, rather than recent, past...

    Isn't it just as reasonably plausible that Rey's tension and motivation for potentially turning dark is the fact that she has just witnessed her brother murder their own father and betray their mother? Would that not make her angry, neigh vengeful, enough to potentially turn dark? I would argue that this is all the tension and motivation that Rey's story arc needs.

    Having said that, I don't see Rey's abandonment and recognition of Leia and Han as her parents necessarily cutting off that tension and motivation for Rey. Wouldn't that tension and motivation be ramped up even further still if her brother, who she must decide whether or not to try to save and redeem, had some legitimate motivation of his own for doing what he has done? For instance, isn't it at least plausible that Ren/Ben will be able to show her that her predicament and having grown up alone and separated from her family is in some way the result of the choices that her parents and/or uncle have made? That they "are not the heroes she thought they were?"

    My only point is, Rey's tension and motivation doesn't solely have to relate to her abandonment... but even if it is in part related to her abandonment, perhaps her family are partially responsible for that abandonment. I can at least conceive of a scenario where Han, Luke, and/or Leia could have been misguided in arranging for her to be secreted away, all under the guise of protecting her (from Snoke?) when in fact the same has resulted in her own misery and ultimate resentment of them... again, providing the necessary tension and motivation for her potential turn to the dark. Kind of the moral ambiguity of our well-intentioned choices under stressful situations... like war. We drop the A-Bomb to essentially end the war. Necessary evils. And so forth. The fact that Han and Leia are now gone (or soon to be gone) can potentially underscore further the potential for tension and motivation if Rey can no longer reconcile with them their misguided actions with her solitary past and ultimate fate.

    Anyway, the point is "Rey Solo" does not rob the character of tension or potential motivation for turning dark. There are plausible scenarios where it would actually enhance it.
     
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    While I was out for my walk, I was once again thinking about Leia and Rey's embrace from TFA and thought I realised something. I got home, checked the scene and I was right:

    When Leia and Rey are in the middle of their embrace (notice the emotion on Rey's face!!), not only does Leia snuggle right into Rey's neck, but also Han and Leia's love theme from Empire accompanies it. Why would a love theme accompany two women's embrace who have supposedly never met before or Rey has no clue that Han and Leia were an item?

    Also, in the wiide-shot, it's made to keep them isolated from all the other Resistance members plus they never break away right up to when the scene transitions.

    I'm guessing that this particular scene was written, shot and performed to be an incredibly important and poignant moment for the two of them.

    Leia's thoughts:
    Sees Rey: I can't believe it. It can't be.
    Staring into each other's eyes: Is it really you?
     
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