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SPECULATION Rey was Han & Leia’s daughter in Duel of the Fates

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by blame182, Jun 3, 2020.

  1. blame182

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    I finally got round to reading the full script for Duel of the Fates. I loved TROS, but I actually really enjoyed DOTF as well. I don’t think the bulletpoint only, clickbaity articles/YouTube videos do it justice.

    I still much prefer TROS but would have like to see the Rey/Poe relationship (some great back and forth dialogue, Poe treats her right and never tries to kill her:p) and Finn leading a Stromtrooper revolt (encouraging them to get a name and find something they believe in, instead of just straight up killing them) make it into JJ's version.

    One part of the script feels super skimmed over and I can't help but think it was a placeholder, similar to the Empire script when it said Obi-Wan killed Luke's Father (instead of the Vader/Father reveal). I can't shake the feeling Rey might have been revealed to be Han and Leia's daughter had DOTF made it onto film.

    Reason 1

    In the script, Kylo is revealed to have killed Rey's parents when she was a child (alongside the other Knights of Ren and under Snoke's orders). This makes no sense timeline wise. Ben Solo didn't destroy Luke's Temple and become Kylo Ren until 28ABY (6 years before the events of TFA).

    Judging by the flashbacks, Rey would have been about 5-8 years old (maybe even younger) when her parents were killed. Her age in TFA is 19. This means her parents were killed around 20-23ABY, at least 5 years before Ben became Kylo.

    This feels like such an obvious continuity error that would have been immediately pick up by the story group. The details are super vague. Seems like an obvious placeholder to avoid a big reveal/plot-point being leaked.

    Reason 2

    There is absolutely no romantic element between Kylo and Rey in this version. None. Kylo is basically an unhinged psychopath/monster throughout the entire film. Instead, Poe and Rey have a romantic arc. Yet, at the end;

    REY: Goodbye Ben.

    With a look that could be perceived as love, BEN SOLO DIES.


    Why would Rey or Kylo look at the other with love? This totally reminded me of when Leia says she loves Luke...as a brother! There's also a part when it says Leia talks to Rey...like her daughter. Can't help but think these are subtle "winky" hints.

    Reason 3

    Her (alleged) name, Rey Solana. Solana. Sol(org)ana. Solo. Organa. I felt like the whole page was winking at me like some aggressive emoji/gif.

    I might be way off base (got my tin foil hat firmly in place on this one :p), I just couldn't shake the feeling when reading it something big was being held back. Obviously, there would have had to be some crazy explanation for how she was Han/Leia's daughter and nobody bothered to tell her or recognised her or whatever? I just wanted to see if anyone had the same thoughts, or am I crazy?




    ...I'm crazy, aren't I? :confused:
     
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    I certainly wouldn't know if that's actually the intent of DOTF's script, but I can see it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the intent. But the thing that gets me is more the plot holes that would arise from it.

    So, sure Rey is the daughter of Han and Leia, cool. What a surprise! But think about it... why wouldn't anyone tell her sooner?!
    Han finally finds his long lost daughter, and the best he can do is give her a job on the Falcon and give Maz a funny look when asked about Rey?
    Leia comforts her after Han's death, and the best she can say is "Find Luke"* and "May the Force be with you" ??
    Rey finds Luke and all he can say "Who are you, Rey from nowhere?" ???

    It just seems that after two films of the OT cast not knowing or even saying anything about the missing child, and the impact that had on them, and part of the consternation with Kylo Ren? It just seems a bridge too far, even for Star Wars. I can get behind Obi-Wan and Yoda wanting Luke to kill Vader, but Han, Luke, Leia, the droids and Chewbacca not giving a darn in much the same manner? I don't know. I'm glad we didn't get that as an answer for Ep. IX.

    *that's my take on it, not a direct quotation
     
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    And we have to remember, it was an early DOTF script. A lot of would have changed.
     
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    Oh, without a doubt. But in that change the confirmation of Rey and Kylo being siblings could have been solidified.
    At the end of the day it doesn't matter because it was the first draft of a story that didn't get used, and until the second draft is released, it's up to interpretation.
     
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    yep.
    personally I think them being siblings is somehow worse(?) than her being a Palpatine but not by much.
    At least with her being a Palpatine and everyone but her knowing apparently, our heroes seem more or less inept rather than just awful and abandoning and forgetting a small child.
     
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    I agree, it wouldn’t make any sense considering all Rey’s interactions with Han, Leia, Luke & Kylo across TFA & TLJ.

    And I didn’t/don’t partially want (or believe) her to be Han & Leia’s daughter. I just kinda felt the DOTF script had hints of it...I mean, Solana is such an obvious on-the-nose mashup of Solo & Organa it surely had to be a placeholder. If you say it fast, Rey Solana sounds almost the same as Rey Solo-Organa (would have been super confusing to hear that in a cinema for the first time). It couldn’t possibly have been her actually name, could it?
     
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    Maybe she's Rey Palpatine and Collin Trevorrow just refuses to acknowledge that it was his idea all along now after the mixed reactions.
     
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    It’s a valid point and, to be honest, I did wonder if some stuff from TROS had been redacted from the “leaked” version of DOTF. Colin & Derek got story credit for TROS, and DOTF doesn’t seem that similar to me...
     
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    pretty sure CT has said Palps wasn't in any version of his scripts.
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    I think there's a lot of leaping in that conclusion and it probably was a placeholder name or it's her name because she lived under the Solo/Organa's and didn't have a last name as a working class child. Or something.
     
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    I agree - if Rey and Ben are siblings, it basically blows up the ST. :eek:

    It would mean that, when Ben says “Han Solo is the father you never had,” he is saying, “Your actual father is the father you never had.” (?)

    It also means that Han and Leia are presumably the ones who abandoned Rey on Jakku, which is kind of... horrible.
     
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    That’s an interesting take. Honestly, it’s more than likely just inconsistencies in the script, but I’m not entirely sure. There have been so many discrepancies about how the script development for these films generally goes, so I’m not sure how much Colin Trevorrow was consulting J.J., Rian and everyone at Lucasfilm during the script writing process. I would assume the scripts are generally a collaborative process during the writing, rather than having the screenwriter(s) finish the script and then have Lucasfilm check it for any continuity errors or things of that nature.

    I believed Rey was a Solo for the longest time –– I was convinced that she had to be Han and Leia’s daughter, but honestly, as so many people online pointed out to me, Han and Leia would never abandon their daughter like that and there really was no justifiable explanation for them leaving her behind and then not telling her who she was when they were “reunited” if she was actually their daughter.

    The “Rey Solana” thing always threw me off, too. It just seems so... painfully unoriginal if it’s not intended to be an obvious allusion to her connection to Han and Leia. If she were taking on Solana as her surname, it would make sense as paying homage to Han and Leia. But if I remember correctly, Kylo tells Rey that Solana is her last name right before he dies in the Duel of the Fates script, so apparently it’s supposed to serve as a sort of extradiegetic tribute to Han and Leia for the audience, but it’s just an in-universe coincidence that her last name is a combination of the last names of the people she saw as parental figures in her life.

    While The Rise of Skywalker is FAR from a perfect film, I’m generally really happy with what we got, and it’s far better than what Duel of the Fates would’ve been. (I also think there were some great ideas in Duel of the Fates that would’ve been really interesting to see fleshed out on screen, though.) So, honestly, my gut feeling is that these are all just issues within the script that weren’t cleaned up? Initially, I was under the impression that Colin left the project because they couldn’t figure out how to rewrite his script without Leia, but considering she really doesn’t have that big of a role in his version of Episode IX either, I’m guessing that Lucasfilm just wasn’t satisfied with his script and thought it would be easier to scrap it altogether because of the continuity errors. I’m honestly not sure, though.

    Your theory does, however, raise the question of whether the whole “Rey was always intended to be a biological nobody but a symbolic Skywalker” thing was actually always the plan or not. :confused:
     
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