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REYLO - Potential Evidence For & Against

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Moral Hazard, Nov 1, 2016.

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    your concerns about JJ are now concerning me ~ hahahaha
    i admit there are a couple of characters in TFA that i think he didn't handle well.
    but i'm not going to prejudge. if the foundation is solid, the house will stand.
     
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    Reylo is more alive than ever. Especially because of one scene which I won't spoil here yet.
     
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    JJ is a solid and decent director (most of the time-“stares at second star trek film and backs away slowly) but that’s just it. He’s like a marvel director almost, everything is played safe and romance comes out stale with him.
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    I know all the scenes lol.

    Is it...?
    The shirtless eight pack scene?
     
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    No...
    The elevator scene. Kylo is crushing hard on Rey.
     
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    I think at this point based on their established Yin/Yang dynamic and connection that XI will rest on the idea that either Reylo will happen or wont.
    you know, it will play a big factor of 'will they/wont they'
    weather that is more about Ren luring Rey to the dark side or Rey redeeming Ren. I dunno.

    I think there could be a kind of grey ending. a little like Princess Mononoke if you've seen that film.

    Where Ren doesn't go fully Jedi/good but decides he must go off and atone, figure out his place in all this. while Rey trys to start a new kind of academy.

    The Relationship that the two leads have in Princess Mononoke is so well done that I'd be interested for the SW team to take some pointers from it.
     
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    Ahh you mean his crushing gaze...jk
    I think in that scene it’s more,on his side, a romantic pull.
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    I hope rather than “will they or won’t they” bs they’ll do something unique. Lord help us if we get JJ uniqueness.

    What I mean is they try to tell a story where they acknowledge it and it plays into it, but the wider story isn’t exclusively focused on it and we get an interesting one.

    But we definitely should have dark and light side temptation shenanigans. On both sides.

    I love that film btw! All studio Ghibli by miyazaki are great!
     
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    He'd be a great person to do a SW stand alone. as an Animaton I mean. like Lauputa but in the SW universe. I'd enjoy that, He's a better storyteller than most live action writer/directors.

    But yes, If they can do anything unique with the plot of XI I think they should go for it. I mean I'm all for the more spiritual stuff in the franchise to be given focus. and I'd like to see this one be a bit more spiritual....Oh weirdly Aranofsky I think would be a really interesting choice for IX. I've not seen Mother! and his Noah film was bad but he's got an interesting take on the spiritual, and he has a very dark edge that lends his films a sense of gravity.

    anyway, yes, I'm all for avoiding Cliche and blandness. Uninqueness is always better but for the conclusion of a 9 films saga, it has to be satisfying. thats why I don't want Kylo Ren to go full dark and win, ruling the galaxy, or to go full dark and die...its just not positive enough as a message, so I accept some levels of cheesy, disney, feel good because I want the whole saga to be lifted up by the final instalment not jaded by it.
     
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    I’m gonna dream about animated SW now!

    Mother to me seemed edgy and heavy handed. I get it was “artsy” and stuff, but i never really got it. I did go to see it with a friend who is more into that genre, so I dunno about him. He’d make Reylo a biblical analogy or something.

    I hope Disney redeems him, even in death. I have a sorta fondness for their cheesyness, unlike what they’ve done with marvel.
     
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    Aranofsky is a bit of a live wire, I consider him very hit and miss. but I loved the Fountain, the Wrestler & Black Swan so I'd like to see his take on a SW film.
    Another I'd like to see do a film, but a stand alone would be Ben Wheatly. His film's are kinda light and pulpy mostly but he's quite promising in certain areas.

    But yeah I've heard very mixed/bad things about Mother!.

    Anyway, as for Reylo, I'm only for it if it sereves the narrative, and even then It'd have to be done carefully and tastefully. Romance for romance sake is pointless especailly as it risks de-valuing Rey as the lead if she is reduced to being Beauty from Beauty and the Beast. That should be avoided at all costs.
     
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    Hmm I Haven’t seem any of Wheatley’s films. I wonder how Edgar Wright would direct XI tho. And Reylo.

    Same here. I hope they can weave it into the narrative well, than make it the whole point of the movie or summat.

    Yeah I don’t want it to be a beauty and beast type story...we shouldn’t give JJ ideas!

    I just want a SW grey story than clear good vs clear evil!
     
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    A grey story is a very nice idea, as what that conclusion would do is open up the new films/sagas to less of a black/white cookie cutter template. Which we need if the new films are to be interesting and not just re-hash's of old movies.

    I think Edgar Wright would be a fine director, he has the flare and he is a big fan of starwars. but his films are often too clinical now days, his last 3 films have been so slick that the humanity is ironed out of them. Baby Driver hits every beat, literally but the characters are like card board cut outs from a Tarantino script, with all the grit removed.
    I love Edgar's early work on Spaced but I just think he's too squeaky clean now to make a fully engaging film of IX.
     
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    Grey is best colour for Star Wars! Decided!

    I just hope we stop light and dark as contours of good vs evil. They can be sides of the force, but I don't want character alignment decided by it. It'd be tricky do tho.

    I enjoyed baby driver a lot but I wouldn't say it was a "five star flawless movie or anything". Though I'm a fan of his earlier films more than his later ones, cornetto trilogy rules!
     
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    Interesting how the Reylo haters are like "Reylo is dead" and the Reylo people are like "Reylo is more alive than ever!" I think that it could go either way. I don't think either side should be overconfident.
     
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    You are completely right.

    Though I personally don't want ReyLo to happen, least of all in a romantic way, the most accurate assessment is, it won't happen... for now. Kylo made wrong decision, because he failed to realize that 'killing' the past won't make it go away. In fact, he might be more shackled to the past and the conflict then ever. So, it's no for now, we'll see what happens in the future.
     
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    You're absolutely right! The thing about the middle chapter of any trilogy is that it ends in a place of hopelessness. Han frozen, Luke the son of the villain. But at the same time those are the very things that aid the hero in the end. Episode 9 is going to end happily. That much is certain. Ending the Skywalker saga on a tragic note would be unforgivable and a terrible marketing decision. Kylo might die but he won't die unredeemed. His arc in this movie basically confirmed that for me. This is his lowest point. Luke's lowest point was finding out that Darth Vader was his father. There's only upwards from here. :) As for Reylo. It's more alive than ever before, in my opinion.
     
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    i honestly don't care about ReyLo:
    you're right: this is the low point.
    Ben is a mess. so much work to do there if he's going to get out of this hole. : o p
     
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    Indeed!

    I personally think that KR telling Rey that she's worthless unless she works with him - even in a semi-polite way - is a big indicator against it. I just can't see Lucasfilm going with a "Verbal abuse is A-okay!" message when they've repeatedly made it clear that they want Rey to be empowering for young girls. The two characters might have entwined fates, but I don't think they're going to get in each other's pants.
     
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    I read that scene completely differently. He's not telling her that she's worthless. He's just echoing her insecurities. That's what SHE thinks. She thinks that she has no role in the story and that she's a nobody. She even says as much. He's telling her that that's not true. That she means something to him. That she's not alone. Her biggest fear, her biggest source of pain is that she feels unwanted. Her parents didn't care about her. They literally threw her away for drinking money. Luke rejected her. He's trying to reassure her, in his own messed up way.
     
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    that's what i heard too.
    it's very murky because his state of mind is so messed up in the moment.
    and later he's so unhinged he's lashing out at her, even.
    need to see it again. : o p
     
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    At this point none of that is really an issue. I am beginning to question his intelligence.

    He practically gets redemption and belonging (not even necessarily in a romantic way) on a plate and says 'ef it, my way or highway'. Gee, man, what more do you need? You were just told you were manipulated to see/feel certain things! Think! And then he gets validation for some of his feelings when he gets the apology from Luke that he actually deserved - immediately after Luke said to Leia that no one is actually lost and again - wrong choice. There is much wrong choices you can pin on manipulation and hurt feelings.

    So, if Rey needs a boyfriend at all cost (why?), I'll take 'big deal' or 'hot-shot pilot' any day. They actually manage to learn from their mistakes and experiences.

    That said... Always in motion future is.

    Also, a question...

    Do you think he believes that Leia is dead? He didn't pull the trigger, but the bridge was still blown up.
     
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