REYLO - Potential Evidence For & Against

Yes and the lore is all the cheapened for it.

 

Legends and epics always change, they evolve through time, it’s unavoidable. There are different interpretation of Greek myths through literature, different renderings of the poem of Roland, of the bible. Lore is something alive, needs to breath new ideas and moves with the times.

 

You can have new ideas but they have to make sense. If you think Rey learning the Force in seconds is something that helps that lore then we differ greatly obviously. It stinks of laziness and is much in line with common Hollywood tropes rather than the ancient greek myths you are describing.

 

The Force must have been like Oprah then. You get the Force, you get the Force and you get the Force!

 

No all those Jedi went the Academy and trained. They got nothing. They earned their status as Jedi Knights and Masters. A thousand Jedi in the context of a galaxy is a very low percentage so it is hardly being handed out like candy.

The Force also did not bless them with the DLC pack like they did with Rey for an instant power up.

 

Greek legends were just popular superstitions that poets elevated through generations. Virgil reinvented the story of Aeneas just to please an emperor, but that political propaganda which conveniently made the Romans ascend from Troyan heroic figures instead of from Etruscan peasants did not prevent the story from being compelling and well written. Virgil invented many things about Aeneas journey to suit his praise of roman morality and values. These things happen and sometimes the stories gain a new audience and a new validity.

 

Okay. I do not like insta-Force abilities and you do. Simple as that. We have derailed the Reylo thread.

 

I was trying to make a point just as you were trying to make yours before. Don’t think the de-railing was wholy irrelevant. Simply putting things (that insta-force I supposedly like) in context, that’s all. So that nobody assumes people have no taste just because they don’t place too much importance in a tradition fabricated 40 years ago.

 

Instaforce is the whole of converstion. That is what Rey has. You can window dress it all you want but it is still Force without the work. I think the struggle of learning the Force is important. You have said you do not. That is all there is to it.

 

From the lore-POV, Rey gets insta-Force abilities due to her connection with Ben Solo and having poked around his mind and learned them. As his powers grow, so do hers. They are pure equals. Snoke made this a bit clearer in TLJ. The novel clarifies further.

From the metaphorical "this is a story" POV, the Force does not require "training" in the sense that most fans think of it to get good at, because the Force is a metaphor about your inner balance and your actions towards others/the outer world. If you have compassion and are a good person, you are using "the light side" of the Force. And there are many ways to "train" yourself to be compassionate find inner peace. Martial arts is one way, which Yoda puts Luke through a bit in ESB, as Luke really needed to learn patience and discipline. But Rey spent a whole life scavenging for survival and was compassionate despite that existence (as evidenced by her helping BB-8), so she was already equipped to become more skilled with the Force than others once learning that it exists/getting her mind poked and having a connection established. TFA establishes that Rey is already far-past ANH Luke levels of physical/mental discipline, her primary weakness being anger when confronting what she sees to be "evil," which isn't really all that much of a flaw so much as something she just needs to walk back from. Luke was a naive farm boy who learned about something greater, Rey was someone who always had some knowledge of in part thanks to Luke's myth reaching her on Jakku. She was already quite a hardened person by the time we see her in TFA, which a lot of people just ignore when criticizing her character.

The PT Jedi was a very flawed institution and their teachings most likely held their members back from achieving their full potential. They denied their members the right to explore an entire side of themselves that is necessary for fully understanding and learning to control the Force as it is at work within them.

So far Rey's grandest Force feats have been against/with Ben Solo. The lifting rocks being the sole exception. This is in contrast to Luke who managed to obliterate an entire superweapon using the Force just a short time after learning that it even exists, which may/may not be viewed as the Force just "granting him" a victory for no reason at all other than his cause was justified and his heart was in the right place. So I don't really see a problem here, nor do I see how this goes against "established Force lore." The Force has always just "chosen" people to help in this story.

The Force is basically magic, so interpreting from the lens of it having to make logical, sort of scientific sense with set "ways" to become good at it seems to actually counter the fairy-tale logic of the Force in my mind.

 

Lol. It took one look at his bare chest to completely throw Han Solo out of her head.

 

LOL. Really?
Ret didn't learn the Force in seconds. Don't you pay attention to what was stated in the movies? For a lore master that kinda seems faulty?
"Something inside me has always been there..."
She always had it, exploited it and benefited from it. Otherwise she wouldn't survive long on Jakku where she was abandoned at the age of 7. With no parents no caretakers, unless you think unkar plutt was a kind uncle?

Not everyone is equally strong/blessed with the Force. Some have low midichlorians count so they have to make it up by practicing. Others, like Anakin, Ben and Rey are blessed.

Charachterization of either Rey's or Ben's charachter is crucial for reylo so there was no derailing. Pray continue if you have something sensible to add

I thought anger is a dark side feat. Rey looks mighty angry there. But that surely can't be because that would mean failure, for a Jedi, no?

A question. Who is Han to Rey? Someone she knew for 15 min? She knew kylo for much longer AND had intimate moments with him during interogation. I wonder how strongly then she must feel for that one. I would say quite a lot given that she reaches out to him practically during the whole of 8. And damn.....he hasn't even killed any major good charachter in tlj....she'll be all over him in 9 specially if he kills Hux as well

 

You're right she was with both of these guys for such a short period, why would she care about either of them? She should be running away.
The picture is all in good fun. It is much easier to come across for than against, but when you find a gem like that, you have to share it.
I'll keep digging and searching.

 

Reylo dolls are now officially released, little girls can now play with them (and make them kiss):




Remember that according to the writer/director of Episode 9 Star Wars is a fairytale, Rey is like "Cinderella" in space, Ben looks like "a prince" and that they're going to have "a very interesting relationship moving forward":







Bridal carry in a fairy tale forest:



Rian Johnson specifically wanted the escape pod of the Falcon to look like a coffin:

 

WHY.

 

42.

 

https://www.gq.com/story/colbert-spoilers-adam-driver

 

Hand-touching?!?! Dude, you have to label that NSFW now.