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REYLO - Potential Evidence For & Against

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Moral Hazard, Nov 1, 2016.

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    If she loved him she wouldn't do it.
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 24, 2018, Original Post Date: Mar 24, 2018 ---
    Seriously? JJ who gave us Spike and Buffy, started this whole thing.
    With this:
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    And this:
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    Aaaand...do i really need to go on? :D
     
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    But what if he isn't happy and never will be again? If she truly wants to help him, then she can't be "selfish". Yeah I know, it will never happen but right now I just don't want to see a happy Reylo ending. Half a year ago I would have been all in for it, but not anymore... Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against a happy ending, even though a more "tragic" ending would be much more "realistic".

    I know, Star Wars is a fairy tale. But think about it: the original versions of those fairy tales ended pretty dark...
     
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    Wait, what? What alternate universe are you from? JJ didn't gave us Spike and Buffy.
     
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    If you know something we don't and JJ is leading a double life as Joss Whedon... you are completely incorrect. ;)
     
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    JJ planted the seeds of Reylo in TFA, now he will finish what he started... with an on screen kiss.
     
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    @Niamor I find your use of pictures... disturbing :D
     
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    hahahaha ~ okay that made me laugh.
    i know a lot of people are rooting against Ben and for a "grey" or "dark" Star Wars, but realistically it's not going to happen.
    TLJ is as dark as we ought to get in this ST (and it was pretty dang dark--for Star Wars).

    don't forget that the model that drives these movies is popcorn fun; they are designed to be escapist and entertaining and uplifting.
    when probably a third of your audience may go borderline seppuku if you kill Ben Solo (if not more), that's just not a smart marketing choice.
    to say nothing of what the character could continue to bring to the franchise in the future.

    i'm not trying to be crass here in terms of profitability, you know i have Ben's best interests at heart.
    and if this poor kid, who has been so abused and so lost for what seems much of his life, doesn't have a chance to turn it around in a long-term meaningful way, that goes against everything the ST has been telling us from the start: there's still light in him, it's not too late, save what you love, no one's ever gone, etc.

    as the hardcore "Reylo" people like to say: Rey isn't a garbage scavenger for nothing. XD

    i don't think they need to be a couple and fall in love and have 17 kids.
    but i do think (hope?) they will bring balance to the Force--together.
     
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    TLJ is the most light-hearted Disney Star Wars IMO. TFA was much darker. I thought TLJ would be the darkest Star Wars movie ever. Why would you hire Rian Johnson if not for a dark movie? His works were always pretty dark and had sad endings. I don't know what happened with TLJ... Haha!

    And this is something I really hate. Good storyteller should never listen to the audience or marketing. If you do that, then you will give yourself many restrictions. On the other hand Rian didn't listen to the fans and it still wasn't that great...

    He had many chances though... But he doesn't want to take them.

    Maybe both of them die and then there is balance. Hahaha!


    Do I think Kylo Ren will be redeemed and Reylo will happen? Yes. Do I want it? I don't know. It depends on the execution. In the end I would like to see both outcomes (redemption and no redemption), but I will never get them both.
     
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    Hahaha, love it! JJ needs to deliver although, according to RJ, the hand touching sealed the deal...
     
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    if TLJ wasn't dark for you, i need a meter stick of dark by which you measure ~ hahahaha

    i agree: the story shouldn't be about the marketing (which again, is why i'm sorry to take it there), but Disney is a marketing machine (and always has been), so it's not realistic of us to think that marketing doesn't play a big part in how this is going to go. that's doesn't mean it has to be bad. TFA was a marketing menagerie and wildly successful for it. so maybe Johnson missed the boat a little by not making TLJ marketable enough. i dunno ~ i can't figure it and i don't care enough to try to, honestly. i know how i feel about it (good and bad), and i know i feel like as a "product" it's strangely lacking.

    he's had two: third time's the charm! : D


    two major dead OT heroes and an Ackbar and you still want more blood ~ hahahahaha

    i honestly don't think Reylo is going to happen in the way that people think. Ben will be saved, but i still seriously doubt in this day and age they're going to end up together. it's not impossible and i won't object to it if it happens, but i'm feeling like something more platonic is going to happen.

    and then the EU ever after will be their across-stars tragic yearning ~ hahahahaha
     
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    Well, you just need to know that I think TFA, TESB, ROTS and R1 were "darker" than TLJ.

    Hopefully the third time isn't triggered by Rey or somebody else. Kylo needs to do it alone!

    "More. More!" Who cares about Ackbar anyway? But no, Rey and Kylo dying was just a joke.

    Me too.
     
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    i loved him so. i really and truly did.

    and he would have probably been tasty with lemon. XD
     
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    I think it will not be platonic on his side, but it will be probably on hers. If in the end he dies, I bet there will be some last breath stolen kiss.
     
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    i had this thought today about the "you had a father that loved you!" scene.
    where he says he didn't hate Han Solo, but refuses to answer "why".

    loving his family was probably the most painful thing in his upbringing.
    because of how they feared him and rejected him in spite of it (in his experience).

    i think the only reason he dares to pursue Rey is because he recognizes in her an equal:
    she doesn't fear him and, at least for a moment, she comes to him.

    his great lesson may be that it's okay to love others even if they don't love you back.
    that love isn't something you get, it's something you give.
     
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    Yes I think that Rey not fearing or judging him is important to him and that’s the root of his attraction to her. It would be interesting to see how he will react to her after she slammed the door at him. His usual knee jerk reaction would be to become resentful, and he may behave as such at first, but in the end, as you say, he will learn to cherish her in spite of her rejection, or so I believe. I’m not very sure, however, if this is a lesson to be learnt or will just happen no matter what.

    I feel that loving Rey may very well be both his salvation and his punishment. On the one hand it may condition him to feel compassion for others and even to forgive himself. But on the other, it will force him face the hard reality that Rey may never get to love him in the more radical way he will desire.
     
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    I think that's a fair reading.
    I haven't read TLJ novel but an article about what it adds to the movie makes similar claims:


    I'd be interested to know if anyone who's read the novel agrees with this take ↑.
    I thought it was nice of Rian to touch :rolleyes: on the idea of them sharing/feeling more than a purely circumstantial or emotional intimacy in TLJ.
    At this point I'm guessing their outreach in the hut is the last we see of anything that could be interpreted as non-platonic interest from Rey.
     
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    You should read the novel and interpret it yourself, rather than relying on anything written by Star Wars fans masquerading as journalists. Or as posters in a forum. You know how we are. ;)
     
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    Yes, it is true that in the novelisation Rey becomes fairly stoical and measured after the battle in the throne room. She accepts that everything that happens is the will of the force. Also she says that kylo has to yet learn that too. She seems all too zen all of a sudden, too Jedi...

    But I’m very suspicious of this “will of the force” business. The force has turned in this trilogy into this dentiny forger, which I’m not sure if I like. However it does not scape me the fact that maybe the force wants kylo and Rey to unite forces against an even darker evil within the dark side...
     
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    @NinjaRen it is you who wants poor Kylo to have a tragic ending x)
    Nah i like that possibility too, but I can't take another Wolverine/Jean "kill me" scene x( god no...
    I would like something like the ending of "The town" where (Affleck) writes a letter to (the girl, I can't remember her name xd ) and says that he needs to go away or something and that he believes they would see each other again... He didn't ask her to wait for him which was great...
    Hmm Idk... Anything believable, but reylo is real... They're cooking something so much more real with them than the whole Resistance/FO thing for me xD
     
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    You're right. We totally would say that. :D

    You're RIGHT WE TOTALLY WOULD DO THAT.

    It's funny when I think that Kylo Ren might be this generations Luke Skywalker. I know it's a controversial thing to say but he is bar none, the most popular character to come out of the ST.

    I LOVE Rey but I see more of myself in Ren. If that makes sense. And it's a sentiment I've seen echoed a lot in people my age.

    I think its because in a lot of ways, we're a bit of a lost generation. We feel like we've been let down by the people who've come before us- that the onus for saving the world from the chaos that seems to be drawing closer and closer every day rests on our shoulders. All the while we're mocked for being too emotional, too weak. Millenials destroy another industry! Headlines like that form a large portion of the media's bread and butter.

    Let the Past Die. I mean, how many times have you heard the younger generation say something to that effect?

    That's not say we're right.

    Kylo Ren represents the worst of the our generation's schema. Our resentment and our fears. Luke Skywalker represented a much more optimistic generation. Ben Solo represents the kids who grew up in the shadow of terrorism, of the real threat of nuclear warfare, of the growing rates of male suicide, of the tangible effects of climate change.

    That's why he's such a polarising character. It's easier to root for the underdog that took on The Man than to root for someone who's real fight is against himself.

    That's why his death would really impact me negatively. I want hope that we can win. That the future isn't as grim as it seems.
     
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