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REYLO - Potential Evidence For & Against

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Moral Hazard, Nov 1, 2016.

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    Here's the .GIF you ordered, sir!

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    I can't wait for Poe-Cucks-Kylo.GIF, if that ever happens.
     
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    It will be a tattoo in comic book form on my back if it does.
     
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    I don't know, when I really like something, I care about how it turns out. *I* won't die, but it'll tear my soul a bit if Ben Solo isn't redeemed or dies right after.
     
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    I wonder if there's a similar test for her in IX.
    I can see Ren bullying Finn in front of her as one way to test her self-control.
    Then again it pays not to make her angry.
    He doesn't like it when she's angry!
    Classic fate-tale.
    Bilbo and Gollum springs to mind.
     
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    She does kind of Hulk out when angry.
    I think Ren will absolutely use the fates of Finn, Poe etc to get Rey to go dark...
     
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    Good to know.

    LOL...okay...a question though...how is making her (a pure holy lady) save him (confused, conflicted, not okay and messy) not whitewashing? Reylo is so much more than a cliché beauty and the beast story. His redemption and atonement must come from himself not her.

    I dunno I would define a reyloer to be someone who is interested in the connection between those 2 charachters. The fact that you visit this thread often kinda makes you one :D
    From my point of view of course :D
    Perhaps you are in denial? I have seen it many times before :D

    Because as i understood you implied that with her closing the door she decided it is all over and she thinks he is not 'worthy' of saving anymore nor reaching out to him to turn him from the dark side. If that is true then killing him and ridding the galaxy of their new force sensitive supreme leader would have strategically been a smart move for the rebellion and the 'good' guys at this point. Would have left FO beheaded.

    Not when she is in heals ;)
    'Princesses' in flats just dont work out visually.

    I completely agree with you. I love Oscar, i think he is a great actor. But Poe...is actually more of a child in a mask (pilot helmet) than Kylo. He will *always* think of his popularity more than of other people. Always. And in the end of tlj he didn't pull out from the attack because he was concerned about his co pilots as much as he worried about another disapproval from Leia.

    Brilliant post! Brilliant.

    So you are trolling? I feel like I should report you to the moderators. The topic in this thread, oh mighty beast rancor, is not people who post about reylo but reylo itself.

    Why cant you wait for it? I am curious. Because you like to cause people who think differently on some topics than you to feel bad?
    Oh dear...i hope not...it would be inconcievable if such a thing came from a moderator...you'all are supposed to be unbiased, init?

    Word! We are free to think and feel what we want and you have no need to explain yourself to trolls like @RoyleRancor is, who by his own admission, laughs at people who have passionate opinions and backbones to back them up publicly. He does that a lot when he is left with no arguments in a discussion. I have noticed it couple of times already...it might be his exit strategy :p

    Normally i agree with your posts but with these I cant agree. Kylo doesnt torture people for fun or sport. He loathes that part of himself (the dark side) but pushes it because it is the only way he knows how to deal with the pain, fear and abandonment he feels from his childhood.


    Disagree. Kylo doesnt want to turn Rey to dark side. He wants her to rule the galaxy together. There is a difference.
     
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    Uh, no. Because it would amuse me to see it happen.
    LOCAL MAN WITH AUTHORITY HAS OPINION - CONSTITUENTS DISPLEASED.

    There's a clearly-defined difference between me holding a position and abusing my powers as an administrator to enforce said position on others, or unfairly punish them for disagreeing. This is not either of the latter two ideas.
     
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    I can see Kylo bullying Finn or Poe to leverage Rey - not for fun or sport - but out of necessity or to get what he wants.

    The way Kylo's been written he could double down on his darkness or wake up in the gutter and try to claw his way out.
    Or both in the one film - You cannot deny the truth that is your family. ;)

    Whatever route Kylo goes down Rey's attachments could be seen as weaknesses in his eyes and its possible they could become the object of one of his awkward lessons.
    Ruling the galaxy for Kylo has so far has entailed the loss or destruction of what Rey holds most dear.
    I don't think it beyond him to find a way of reconciling this but it's eluded him so far!
     
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    i didn't say Rey had to be a "pure holy lady"; i don't cast her that way, so no, it's not whitewashing.
    that said, i don't have a problem with the trope of people helping each other out of darkness.

    human beings need each other.
    Ben will have to save himself, but he'll need a support system.

    i never said i wasn't fine with Rey and Ben being together.
    i said i actually don't care either way, so long as Ben is saved.
     
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    Hmmm...i dont think torturing people who Rey holds dear would achieve anything with Rey. And I think Kylo knows that and wouldn't try anything that way. He wants her to come to him on her own free will, i think. Because he wants to belong with her not to dominate her. That is why he was asking her...very nicely...very politely...begging even.

    "One of his awkward lessons"...what do you mean by that?
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 4, 2018, Original Post Date: Apr 4, 2018 ---
    Why is saving Ben so important to you, if I may ask?
     
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    because for me, without Ben saved, all the OT heroes' sacrifices will be for naught.
    and because Ben deserves a chance at some kind of life.
    he is a victim of a family who didn't know what to do with him and a predator who took the reigns.

    if he dies in the Dark, it's also a a big middle finger of hopelessness to anyone who has made bad choices and that's not something i am interested in, nor does it make sense from a franchise that waves the banner of "hope" as its foundation and which taught a whole generation that compassion was more powerful than destruction.
     
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    What if he gets saved/redeemed but still dies (you know what I referring to)? Would the OT heroes' sacrifices still be for nothing then?
     
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    That still doesn't make her a murderer. It's character consistency. You don't just flip that switch. Even with what Luke saw he wasn't able to do it. That's the point of being the good guys, the rise above the obvious murder-is-the-answer trope. She literally just got all pissy with Luke for even thinking it. If she axed Ren then. What happens with Luke? He surely doesn't show on Crait. Hux doesn't care about force projected Luke. The First Order wins if she kills Ren. The whole damn point is about not killing.

    She doesn't wear heels. And she's not a princess.

    No. I'm having fun. Report me to mods. Please do. Please report me to mods for having a light hearted approach to romance in a movie where the first on screen kiss was between a brother and sister. Yeah, that'll show me. If I were trolling, you'd know it.

    She won't rule the galaxy from the lightside. It kind of goes against the point of being on the lightside. She has to turn to rule the galaxy. That was the mistake of the Council. They thought they could rule in some fashion while remaining in the light and "good" but it meant turning blind eyes to real injustice and they allowed Palpatine to rise to power.
     
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    yes. the point is to save Ben for a purpose, not just to save the galaxy from evil.
    that's the problem with what happened to Vader.
    it was great and all that Luke saved him, but his dying meant Leia never reconciled with him, he never had a chance to atone more than killing Palpatine, and there was a lot of lingering questions and feelings.

    Ben is young and full of promise and he means well for the galaxy not just his own selfish aims (like Anakin).
    give him the chance to do good. that's the way to make everything purposeful.
     
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    Even if Ben survives his redemption, I don't think he will bring much "goodness" to the galaxy. He will probably go into exile and try to get rid of his mistakes. But the more and more I think about it I really like the idea of both - Rey and Kylo - dying. I know. It will never happen. Right now, it's most likely that both will stay alive. Haha!
     
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    Good guys kill no one? Hahah....shall we count?
    They even shoot people in the back.
    They even shoot first.
    They even blow up people with significantly weaker firepower - xwings shotting down the stormtroopers one by one (poe especially loves to do that).
    Rey has no problems murdering snowtroopers either. She was on fire in takodana.

    I would report you Royle if i though for a second it would make any difference. Having a light hearted approach to romance in a movie as you call it is way different than what you did in the above mentioned post. In my opinion you are a troll. Anyone who makes fun of the PEOPLE who post and not their POSTS is one. It says right there in the foreword of your 101 on trolling manual that you talked about earlier. Missed that part?
    Btw..why do you own such a manual? Just curious or it's your textbook? ;)

    Oh really...so the lightsiders do not fight to gain governance of the Galaxy? Hmmm? But of course not...they *only* do it to free everyone *heavy sarcasm*. Taking over and subduing everyone to follow their political views is just an accidental bonus :p
     
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    Same, tbh.

    Like I've said a million times before, I'm here for my dumbass problem child. Everyone else, including Rey, can die (though I'd obviously prefer them to live obviously).

    In other news, my Defend Ben Solo mojo has been renewed thanks to this video. Voordreel is a goddamn gem.



    PS:
    Do all Ben Solo fans feel like harried PTA mums, or is it just me? Is that like the accepted state of being? HE'S A GOOD BOY I SWEAR HE'S JUST... EXUBERANT. He gets it from his dad's side.
     
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    Where did I say good guys don't kill?
    There's a giant disconnect here.

    Calling me a troll for a funny little post while you continually seemingly try to conflate murder with war. So are all soldiers by your definition murderers?
     
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    I'm totally interjecting with my unwanted HotTake but as far as I'm concerned, soldiers are the manipulated (and often times coerced) weapon of the murderers that run the Military-Industrial complex. Even the most righteous seeming war has layers upon layers of murky dealings and powerful people profiteering off the blood and bodies of millions of poor people.
     
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