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Rey's EpVII Vision of Kylo, Not the Past but a Future EPVIII Scene?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by blazingbolt, Jul 28, 2016.

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    So a friend and I were discussing this.
    The Scene in Rey's Flash of Kylo Ren Killing Jedi at an Academy could have actually been a flash into the future.

    We know from images of the ep8 set that there are a lot of little huts where Luke has been hiding.
    What if Luke was there already training a secret army of Jedi and the flash Rey sees is of the future of Kylo and the Knights of Ren Killing Lukes new students?

    Since we know from a scene described by Making Star Wars that the Knights and Kylo are going to have a battle where Luke and Rey currently reside, do you think that could have been what she was seeing, and not the past of Kylo Killing students at Luke's academy?
     
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    The first time I seen Rey's vision I knew it wasn't from the past.
     
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    I believe this may be likely, as the Force shows visions of the past, present, and Future. But a lot of that vision also had to do with the lightsaber's journey and where it has been.
     
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    The key word is "been." The vision was showing where it was and has been.....which is if I believe the past.
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    No, it was the past because Han says "Luke was training a new generation of Jedi and his apprentice, destroyed it all." If it was the future Luke probably wouldn't be in hiding and his students would still be there. Good Idea though!
     
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    But in her vision, the only place that we know the lightsaber had been, was the duel with Vader. No other parts of her vision would have had the saber in them or part of them past or present with the exception of the slaughter of the jedi in her vision. If that is a future even the lightsaber will be the one she uses to fight back.
     
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    Interesting thought. Of course, we already know that the vision showed the future, due to the foreshadowing of the Starkiller Base duel. So this is certainly a possibility I hadn't considered.
     
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    Correct! The duel with Vader was in the past. But please correct me if I'm wrong, I did not see that lightsaber in the rest of the vision. So for the saber, that's a thing of the past in the vision as well as most of the other factors of the vision. The only part I saw that should be considered "future revealing" was Kylo igniting his saber in the snowy forest on Starkiller Base.
     
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    I think Rian Johnson had input on Rey's vision so, yes, I think the Knights of Ren scene was a future vision and will appear in Ep8.

    Another thing about Rey's vision. Since her vision revolves mainly around the past and future of the lightsaber, then maybe the person who left Rey on Jakku had possession of the lightsaber at the time, before it ended up with Maz? Therefore maybe Maz knows the person who dropped Rey off on Jakku? Just a thought.
     
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    It would have been a great idea though, in a parallel universe... Let's forget everything or almost from TFA. Luke is hiding his academy and is missing, Kylo is jealous because uncle Luke refused to train him and goes his own path, Rey being a Force sensitive child that got hid by her parents because they did not want her to become a Jedi and is left under the protection of a member of the Church of The Force by Luke. Rey finds Luke and his academy, Ben comes and destroy it.
     
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    The flashback sequence was initially supposed to show the path of the lightsaber but JJ at some point changed his mind. The sequence was edited down compared to what was shown in the info MSW and a few others had seen. The part in question of the KOR in the rain was supposed to be in the past. It was the "the clan vs the seven" in which the clan used the lightsaber to fight the KOR. It was never the destruction of the Luke's Jedi. However, since it was edited down,there is the possibility it could be the future. That being said it can't be what MSW has said about VIII
    Kylo and the KOR attacking Luke and Rey on Jakku
    Because in the flashback see there are numerous dead bodies lying around the KOR and that wouldn't fit with the MSW description of the scene in VIII. If it is from the future it is from a totally different scene.

    Also remember that just because Rey was there in the flashback doesn't mean she is/was there at the actual time of the scene.

    There is a possibility that it is from the future but I think it was from the past like originally intended. JJ recently stated that he'd like to see a spin off movie about the KOR. He definitely likes them. Keeping that scene in the flashback was the only way to keep the KOR in TFA so when he decided to edit down the flashback, he left them in without much context and as Maz says when asked how she got the lightsaber, "that is a story for another time"
     
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    One thing I will add, and I don't have time to get the screenshot right now but this is just for your own independent research..
    The part of the vision where Kylo pierced/stabs someone wearing a helmet with his lightsaber is interesting, because it has been pointed out that this figure was actually a Knight of Ren! If you see the end credits you will see an actor called I think Mark (?) and he is credited as being a KOR, and when you freeze the frame during the flashback you can make out the very same actor in the rain in that scene being killed. Hope that is useful and adds to the speculation. :)
     
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    The helmet has similar damage as the one that was left on the bridge on Starkville Base. So it would have to be the past.
     
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    this would be really interesting to see.. it IS odd that the MSW leaks match up with that vision: knights of ren and kylo descend on luke/rey.. it's raining.. they're all decked out.. location is very similar.. it'd be odd if that happened in the past and now again something almost identical is happening in 8? i honestly think 8 has the potential to be such an extraordinary film.
     
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    I like this. Something to add to this that I was considering; Despite what we've both been told and may believe based on things that have been alluded to by LFL/Disney, we REALLY DO NOT DEFINITIVELY KNOW that Luke is alone on Ahch-To....we don't! All we see at the end of TFA is Luke, but this doesn't mean that there are no other Jedi (either older masters or new younger Jedi) there, or living on other islands nearby, and that the planet perhaps is some kind-of secret "Jedi Monastery".

    Now I know that if one is absolutely sold on the fact that Luke is alone, that might be a hard concept to swallow. It is written that Luke is "in exile" but that doesn't REALLY mean that he's in exile alone....on that planet....we just saw him alone....at that moment....and Kylo may be coming!

    Thus, the vision may become reality that we will see....
     
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    The vision isn't consistant though, some scenes that are illusions to later, he is not wearing a mask at all.
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    Knights of Ren scene I am pretty sure has to be the future now. There was even something said in an interview where we haven't even seen that part. I think too that Kylo Ren had that saber before, but it is for another thread.
     
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    On top of this, have a look at the middle Knight of Ren in this concept art image - the guy has a similar helmet to the guy from Rey's vision.

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    Also, in this image there are SEVEN Knights of Ren compared to only the six that surround Kylo in TFA.

    Kylo is going to kill a KOR to save Rey, isn't he? :)

    Also, I bet Rey will use Anakin's lightsaber again in this future KOR battle.
     
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    There are 6 KOR plus Kylo equals 7. The fact that the character Kylo kills is listed in the credits as a KOR, the flashback scene could be showing that moment where Kylo becomes their leader.

    I think the vision scene makes it look like Kylo is saving Rey, but I don't think that is happening. I don't think Rey is actually in that place. She only sees herself there in the vision.
     
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    I agree with this. While it's possible the vision is set in the future (since we also see the future snow fight in the vision), most likely this is showing Kylo's destruction of the jedi academy and his ascension as leader of the KOR, which may have involved killing another KOR to assert his supremacy.

    If It IS a vision of the future, and it's a different set of bodies lying on the ground in the rain (i.e. not jedi kids), I doubt this is a vision of Ahch-To. Sure it's possible Luke has been gathering a secret group of trainees but this seems like a narrative stretch to me -- it seems pretty clear that he's in exile alone.
     
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    Why am I getting trolling for this? Doesn't make sense
     
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    This has been puzzling me too - I've been watching the vision scene over and over. The guy getting killed is wielding some kind of staff (is it Rey's???) but not a lightsabre. Surely if it was one of Luke's new Jedi he'd have had a sabre?
     
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