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SPECULATION Rey's lineage and the end of the Skywalker saga?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Protocol Droid, Nov 12, 2017.

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What does the announcement of RJ's new trilogy mean for the Skywalker saga, & Rey's lineage?

  1. Ep IX will be the last Skywalker saga film, & the end of the Skywalker bloodline (Rey Nobody)

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  2. Ep IX will be the last Skywalker saga film, but the Skywalker bloodline will live on (Rey Skywalker)

    18 vote(s)
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  3. There will be another Skywalker trilogy, w/ Rey carrying on the Skywalker bloodline (Rey Skywalker)

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  4. There will be another Skywalker trilogy, w/ Rey carrying on the Skywalker spirit (Rey Nobody)

    13 vote(s)
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  5. Ep IX may or may not be the last Skywalker trilogy; either way, Rey is a Kenobi

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  6. Ep IX may or may not be the last Skywalker trilogy; either way, Rey's lineage is from the dark side

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  1. TheGreyandTheRed

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    I have plenty of answers I just don't see the point in wasting my time with someone who is too arrogant to listen.

    I'd get more sense, perspective and objectivity from a three year old. If you want to take it as a small victory then by all means do, although I doubt your ego requires it. Enjoy :D
     
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    I will add that it would be a bit poetic to see Luke be the last of the Skywalkers and have the name drift off into galactic legend. A revered name that stories are told about for a millennia. I also agree that for Star Wars to be successful in the longest term possible, they are going to have to move on and away from Skywalkers. They can't lean on that name forever, just like Revan was the "Skywalker" of that era (provided they ever do the right thing and canonize him).

    IMO, that is why it will be best for RJ to create a rather large distance of time between his saga and the Skywalker saga. No need to nod to it, no need to reference it and no need to have to shape a continuity to it.
     
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    Well actually... I'm an historian. That's my job. So yeah.
    I knew it.
    I'm also fully aware of the difference between mithology and history.
     
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    Not that this debate needs any further fuel added to the fire, but I would tend to disagree that Yoda's statement at the end of the Clone Wars cartoon series provides any finality for one additional reason... and it is found in the very first line associated with Star Wars:

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    So my question is, do we now have a "victory for all time"? Or is there still conflict between the light and dark in all of us? This is an eternal battle that continues so long as there is life. Unless Yoda was suggesting the end of all life, which I highly doubt because that would be the end of the Force...

    What Yoda referred to in the Clone Wars is analogous to what many religions consider to be the ultimate end game (and what I simply believe is our own death). In Christianity, it is the return of Christ, judgment and an eternal kingdom in heaven. This is something that many people believe will happen and put their faith in. (Again, I just believe this refers to our own individual mortal death, rather than some universal, single point in time that is a finite "end of days" for everyone) Nonetheless, I would say in our galaxy, such a universal "end of days" has not been achieved yet (;)), even though that prophecy was thousands of years ago. None of us really know when (or if) it will come true.

    By the same token, I think Yoda was speaking about a similar "biblical," ultimate ending "victory for all time" (or just an analogy to individual mortal death) but there is nothing to suggest that "prophecy" shall come true during the time of the Skywalkers, once the Skywalkers are dead and gone, or at some time in the future. But I would suggest that telling the story of something that happened "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." might mean that it still has not happened, just as it has not yet happened in our galaxy during this time. These Star Wars stories are fantasy and fiction, but were intended to be told (by a pair of death-defying droids) as though they actually happened... So I posit: Wouldn't Yoda's "victory for all time" apply to the entire universe, not just the Star Wars galaxy, but to include our own? It is a rather universal concept and belief held across multiple religions, perhaps even galaxies, and universes. Just some food for thought.

    True, Yoda is not necessarily the most reliable prophet or even "Force scholar" (compare, "biblical scholar") by his own admission: "Misread the prophecy we may have..."
     
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    I think it proves existing assets are injected into any Star Wars product, tie fighters, x-wings and the like sell, so expect to see all the familiar tapestry of Star Wars in Rian's new trilogy. It's not a Skywalker saga, but it's going to look and feel like Star Wars, despite how distant it is from the Skywalker saga.

    And the way to help make it feel familiar is to integrate assets, such as ships and characters into whatever Rian is forging. It's very new to be sure, but I can wager to a penny to a pound it's going to feel very familiar. It will also move forward, it's going to be set in the Sequel Trilogy era and help enhance the lore of a post-Jedi, post-Sith galaxy, where the limits of the force are now unlimited.

    It's just a guess on my part, but if you think about profit, risk aversion and formulas that help ensure box office success, these conclusions seem inevitable.
     
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    I hope that he goes back to deepen more of this Jedi lore that Luke has found in his travels. Back to when it was formed.
     
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    The Creators and Powers in Starwars can tell these fans the answer ten times and they’ll still debate it. Let’s try again.

    Starwars is, and always will be in essence a story of the Skywalkers. So no matter the gap in time line, the years in real life go back, if they stay true to their conviction, it will always go back.

    That includes new stories, but eventually we could see the entire OT redone. Once so much time goes by, fans will not get hurt feelings over that kind of thing—as we’ve seen over and over again.

    Also, Why are are so many people so absolutist. They can do RJ Triology, while stopping the saga for awhile, then come back. In fact, they long claimed they take time off from Saga films after 9 to refresh.

    I see Daisy Ridley and company coming back in their 30’s and 50’s to give additional efforts. In bettween, a lot of stories will be told.

    ALso. Starwars Galaxy is likely metaphoric as the brand, not the small corner of the Galaxy in the small corner of the universe.
     
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    I don't think the Skywalker lineage will end. Even if Disney/Lucasfilm currently don't have plans for more Skywalker films, they would want to preserve the option of making more Skywalker movies in the future, in case the audience wouldn't be as interested in non-Skywalker films and Disney/Lucasfilm need another boost in the SW franchise. If Rey is not related then they will make sure Kylo would survive and have kids.
     
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    Not a chance. Lucas would've written into the deal that his films couldn't be remade.
    --- Double Post Merged, Nov 18, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 18, 2017 ---
    But if things got desperate and they needed to bring back the Skywalker family, they could just concoct something to do so. The point is that they need to take this last opportunity to end the saga in a satisfactory way and then go on and tell new stories. If these new trilogies fail then do a Jurassic park on Luke Skywalker's sticky corpse or something.
     
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    Mithology huh?
     
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    Thank you for the correction.
    Se preferisci, possiamo provare a discutere in italiano.
    Sai com'è, conosco i miei limiti.
     
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    Haha Love this.
     
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    That was brilliantly handled, @lealt !

    Molto bene! :D
     
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    I'll just leave this here (http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/...story-on-the-dark-new-star-wars-movie-w512703):

    This trilogy will end with Abrams' Last Jedi sequel, and after that, it sounds like the main thrust of the franchise will move into Johnson's mysterious new movies, which look to be unconnected to the previous saga. As far as Abrams is concerned, that will be the end of the Skywalker story. "I do see it that way," he says. "But the future is in flux."

    As far as Ridley is concerned, the future of Rey is pretty much set. She doesn't want to play the character after the next movie. "No," she says flatly. "For me, I didn't really know what I was signing on to. I hadn't read the script, but from what I could tell, it was really nice people involved, so I was just like, 'Awesome.' Now I think I am even luckier than I knew then, to be part of something that feels so like coming home now."

    But, um, doesn't that sort of sound like a yes? "No," she says again, smiling a little. "No, no, no. I am really, really excited to do the third thing and round it out, because ultimately, what I was signing on to was three films. So in my head, it's three films. I think it will feel like the right time to round it out."
     
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    Really hope they stick to this. A trilogy of trilogies would be the perfect way for the Skywalker Saga to close. And John Williams will still (hopefully) be around to compose!

    I’ve talked about this before, but this was always the ideal scenario :D

    Bring on 2019 and Jar Jar’s kids :p
     
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    I think this is certainly the plan but it depends on Johnson's trilogy being a success. I still think they'll kill off the Skywalker's in this saga but if they had to, they could resurrect them some way I'm sure.
     
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    I think it depends on more of that trilogy avoiding be a failure than it does being a “success” (which for Star Wars is considered somewhere in the region of $1 billion, I guess — at least for the time being).
    I don’t think that the end of the Skywalker Saga spells out the end of the Skywalkers, necessarily. It just says to me that they want to explore other stories elsewhere in the galaxy, which revolve around different individuals.

    Also, why do I feel like this is going to be the next big argument for used in support of Rey Skywalker, at least prior to TLJ? :confused:
     
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    I'm confident of one thing: EPIX will bring the Anakin-centric story to an end. The PT chronicles his rise and fall. The OT chronicles his redemption through his son. And the ST seems to be chronicling the legacy he left behind, both good (in the heroism of his children), and bad (the specter of his fallen state as embodied in Kylo Ren's attempt to re-create it). I think it's likely that the ST will wrap up these two threads, and bring to a close the story of Anakin. It has to in order to be satisfying, really.

    Does this mean a final end to Skywalker-centric stories? JJ won't be in charge in the coming years, so his statement isn't definitive. However, if they continue making Skywalker stories, they're probably going to have to develop a new set of conflicts and themes. It's perfectly possible. Partly, it depends on how the ST turns out: if Ben is dead, and Luke and Leia have left no other children behind, that would seem to be the end of the Skywalker story (barring Luke's having any further children in his old age, which I don't think LFL would touch with a ten foot pole). If Ren and/or any other children of Luke and Leia (Rey, of course, being the most likely candidate) survive the OT, some talented filmmaker could set something new up somewhere down the line.

    There are a number of folks sniping at each other in this thread. The truth is, we don't have enough information to know whether the Skywalker saga will continue. We don't know how the ST will turn out, and we don't know what decisions will be made by LFL in the future because, well, it's the future.

    I'm of the opinion that no rough story or character idea is bad in and of itself. It's all in the execution. Some ideas are harder to pull off than others, but take the worst-sounding idea, and a brilliant enough artist can make it sing.

    Star Wars was kind of like that when it was just a rough set of ideas in GL's head. No doubt when he described it, lots of people thought it was incoherent garbage. I mean, imagine trying to describe the story of Star Wars to someone completely fresh, in an era when visually stunning special-effects heavy scifi/fantasy movies just didn't exist. It must have sounded like a profoundly silly idea that was a waste of time. Except GL had the mind and the drive to make these ideas sing. A future Skywalker saga continuation could be awesome, or it could be awful. A non-Skywalker SW saga could be awesome, or it could be awful. It all just depends on the execution.
     
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    I only wish...Canadian Ronin were here...I could do with rubbing his nose in these quotes right now!:p
     
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